THE PEOPLE v. Scott Summers - The Murder of Charles Francis Xavier

[SneakyLookingSort]

For the sake of transparency, the Defense would openly admit it doesn't have the slightest of efffin' clues why Steve Rogers chose that particular moment to shed what suspiciously looks like the most ridiculous tear in the history of ever.

It's not a tear, it's his brain melting out through his eye socket after Xavier's psychic attack.

[Glio]

Does this deadbeat father have diplomatic immunity?

Otherwise I would like to point out that precedence of forgiveness with minimal to no charges has already been set during the People vs. Hal Jordan, among many others.

Logan has but I suppose rather for being an avenger.

[TheDeadSpace]

Well, Cyclops formed his deceased wife out of moon dust to discuss his humanity. I think that speaks for itself.

[bell]

Scott beg them to stop him at one point. He had already lost control. He was under the influence of Marvels alcohol aka PF.

[butterflykyss]

seems like a mistrial since the decision wasn't unanimous

[Huntsman Spider]

This seems an odd argument. The power is corrupting and one can't be sure of somebody's mental state under it's influence. It stands to reason then, that if this is the case, one can't count on a person's actions to predictable, rational, or beneficial to others. So if you can't expect Phoenix to behave rationally why would you want to have anyone under it's influence?

As for it not being for his own use, he was under the belief that the Phoenix force, would ultimate serve his own goals even if it did reach it's expected host.


The other heroes arrived after he had already made multiple threats against the world and demanded it's leaders do as he said. Some would argue that he never took control of any countries and allowed them to keep ruling themselves. However he made it clear that they could continue to do so ONLY if they did as he said. At this point he was clearly operating as a terrorist on a global scale.

Considering those same leaders had previously sanctioned the building of Sentinels, whose only real purpose unless reprogrammed like Juston Seyfert's (and even then, that's kind of a sore spot with a lot of X-Fans) was to hunt and/or kill mutants for the purpose of shockingly Holocaust-like permanent extrajudicial containment and segregation from humanity in preparation for wholesale slaughter, the saying of "one's terrorist is another's freedom fighter" can be applied, especially since unlike Magneto, Cyclops was operating off a policy of deterrence rather than preemptive attacks that would only be used to demonize mutants further in the eyes of humanity. Even with the Phoenix Force, until he completely snapped under the strain of the Phoenix amplifying his preexisting anger, frustration, resentment, and stress from the situation he was in, he (and the other four) used that newfound power mostly to end wars and famines. He wasn't so much threatening the world as he was giving it a chance to be and do better, and it was only a threat in the eyes of those who saw that threat as more to their authority and standing.

[KangMiRae]

Your Honor, the Defense would remind the Court that Charles Xavier himself presented a diagnostic of Scott Summers and Emma Frost' psychological condition shortly after they inadvertently inherited the Rasputin siblings' powers. The Defense would like to point out that Steve Rogers, T'Challa, son of T'Chaka, Ororo Monroe, James Howlett and Peter Parker were all present when aforementioned diagnostic was surmised and that not a single objection was put forward.



For the sake of transparency, the Defense would openly admit it doesn't have the slightest of efffin' clues why Steve Rogers chose that particular moment to shed what suspiciously looks like the most ridiculous tear in the history of ever.

Look at the scumbag acting like he ever cared about Scott or the X-Men. Jerky McJerkFace

[Alan2099]

Considering those same leaders had previously sanctioned the building of Sentinels, whose only real purpose unless reprogrammed like Juston Seyfert's (and even then, that's kind of a sore spot with a lot of X-Fans) was to hunt and/or kill mutants for the purpose of shockingly Holocaust-like permanent extrajudicial containment and segregation from humanity in preparation for wholesale slaughter, the saying of "one's terrorist is another's freedom fighter" can be applied, especially since unlike Magneto, Cyclops was operating off a policy of deterrence rather than preemptive attacks that would only be used to demonize mutants further in the eyes of humanity. Even with the Phoenix Force, until he completely snapped under the strain of the Phoenix amplifying his preexisting anger, frustration, resentment, and stress from the situation he was in, he (and the other four) used that newfound power mostly to end wars and famines. He wasn't so much threatening the world as he was giving it a chance to be and do better, and it was only a threat in the eyes of those who saw that threat as more to their authority and standing.

Points well stated. I'll have to give you that.

However for the purpose of this topic, I assumed we were arguing on a legal basis. In which case the fact that he didn't do worse or that he was only a terrorist because he people were oppressed doesn't change the fact that he threaten the governments and leaders of the world.

[Hizashi]

This seems an odd argument. The power is corrupting and one can't be sure of somebody's mental state under it's influence. It stands to reason then, that if this is the case, one can't count on a person's actions to predictable, rational, or beneficial to others. So if you can't expect Phoenix to behave rationally why would you want to have anyone under it's influence?

As for it not being for his own use, he was under the belief that the Phoenix force, would ultimate serve his own goals even if it did reach it's expected host.

In fairness, I wasn't very clear. The PF has a corrupting potential, and it's exacerbated by outside pressures on its host(s). When you consider that Scott never intended to become one, and that the power he received was already damaged, it's pretty amazing he held out for so long. It was an inevitability that the P5 would slowly lose their handle on the PF, but once again the Avengers failed to make the intelligent decision to offer an olive branch and assist them in freeing themselves and accomplishing the original goal of restarting the mutant race. Instead, they antagonized the P5 repeatedly, and they weren't expecting that to make things worse?

Intended hosts seem to handle the power well, especially those of the redhead variety.

Scott was certainly under the belief that the PF would serve his own goals, and there was evidence in the narrative to back that up. In fact, his original goal (getting the PF to Hope) was ultimately copy/pasted by the Avengers after their colossal mistakes made things worse.

The other heroes arrived after he had already made multiple threats against the world and demanded it's leaders do as he said. Some would argue that he never took control of any countries and allowed them to keep ruling themselves. However he made it clear that they could continue to do so ONLY if they did as he said. At this point he was clearly operating as a terrorist on a global scale.

Multiple threats? Wasn't it just the one, "No more wars, or else"? Clearly he had the power to back up that threat, but he didn't actually plunge the world into a dystopian nightmare - he didn't raze world governments to the ground, he didn't start dismantling the military arms of nations who seek peace. He solved ecological disasters, helped with world hunger, assisted war-torn peoples, problems that the same governments he threatened have fought for decades. Reed Richards, who was the closest thing to an unbiased party, said something along the lines of Cyclops eventually making the Avengers obsolete.

Were there any parties that tried talking to Scott? Really talking? Not trying to guilt him or manipulate him in some way, like both Xavier and Magneto did. Xavier said something along the lines of Cyclops' utopia being "too easy". As opposed to what Xavier? And Magneto said Scott was acting like him. Really? I recall Scott providing help to all people and generally leaving the "hero" community alone, not striking at them preemptively.

[ExodusCloak]

Is Tony Stark in the court? Let's not dismiss the role he played in drugging the P5 against their will.

Also the Avenger that killed Bruce Banner and who shot an arrow in Cyclops neck with the intent to kill corroborates that narrative along with Tony Stark here.

[Hizashi]

Can it be argued that without the Avengers' intervention, Scott would never have become a Phoenix host and thus Xavier would not have died at his hand?

[FluffyCyclopsRLZ]

The Defense wants it on the record it simply cannot believe no one's joked about the Avengers' "Let's use CHAOS-BASED ATTACKS on the superpowered folks who are currently high on Phoenix cocaine thanks to Stark's Phoenix-splitting efff-up." tactics.

Look at the scumbag acting like he ever cared about Scott or the X-Men. Jerky McJerkFace

The Defense cannot help but have this nagging suspicion that Mr. Rogers is rather crying over the fact that Charles Francis Xavier inadvertently destroyed whatever court case Rogers was planning to have thrown at the Defendant.

[Decoy]

The Defense also points out that many absolved Mr Howlett from killing several while under Hand Control, and before that Apocalypse/ Mr Nur’s Control........while Mr Pym had created a genocidal AI in Ultron (The State Vs Mr Ultron for genocide on a country scale, desecration of the dead)

[Cmbmool]

Not necessarily. However, Hope was definitely the intended host, the narrative was clear about that. And Hope had preparation.

What preparation ? If it was by the defendant then that is questionable given how their relationship is viewed.

[Omega Alpha]

What preparation ? If it was by the defendant then that is questionable given how their relationship is viewed.

She was prepared by Cable first and then the X-men. People who actually read Uncanny X-men or Gen. Hope at the time saw it, AvX was, in that aspect and many others, completely wrong about their relationship and preparation.