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    Quote Originally Posted by The Drunkard Kid View Post
    I sincerely doubt that trying to use nanoprobes against Franklin "Basically a Celestial" Richards is going to work very well, especially if his Galactus-tier future self is hanging around to just poof them out. Kid creates entire timelines/universes by accident (Heroes Reborn, IIRC), and the nanoprobes probably would fritz out trying to even comprehend him on a biological level.

    Is he actually that biologically different then humans? Like he doesn’t bleed, get sick, sleep....poop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mider2009 View Post
    Is he actually that biologically different then humans? Like he doesn’t bleed, get sick, sleep....poop?
    He can do all of those things. He can also NOT do all of those things if he chooses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Arbiter View Post
    He can do all of those things. He can also NOT do all of those things if he chooses.
    How about his resting state when not suspecting anything? Can he react to nanoprobes appearing inside his body/lungs where the distinctive Q light wouldn't appear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalak View Post
    How about his resting state when not suspecting anything? Can he react to nanoprobes appearing inside his body/lungs where the distinctive Q light wouldn't appear?
    Unclear. Dork Knight has more info on the kid then I do, but iirc he has tanked blows from Celestials actively trying to rid him from reality and been more or less fine. Like, no obvious forcefield or anything implying his body is just "stoopid stronk" when it suits him.
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    Yeah, in his current state, there's really nothing you can do to the guy without being a high-end cosmic. Hell, when the 4 crazy Celestials were coming to off everyone, before the final battle (where adult Frank made Big G his herald), child Frank ran into the Celestials. He was not looking for a fight nor was he otherwise prepped or angry or anything. The Celestials went "urk, bad universe level mammajamma reality warper, don't even bother with an attack" and tried to sooth his emotions to negate his threat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_adventure View Post
    Yeah, in his current state, there's really nothing you can do to the guy without being a high-end cosmic. Hell, when the 4 crazy Celestials were coming to off everyone, before the final battle (where adult Frank made Big G his herald), child Frank ran into the Celestials. He was not looking for a fight nor was he otherwise prepped or angry or anything. The Celestials went "urk, bad universe level mammajamma reality warper, don't even bother with an attack" and tried to sooth his emotions to negate his threat.
    Failure to act doesn't constitute a defensive feat against nanoprobes shown to restructure matter every time they create metal implants during assimilation and explicitly in the Enterprise episode where they inject a wall to create Borg-Tech. Especially if they've been enhanced by assimilating advanced Marvel Earth & Alien tech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_adventure View Post
    Yeah, in his current state, there's really nothing you can do to the guy without being a high-end cosmic. Hell, when the 4 crazy Celestials were coming to off everyone, before the final battle (where adult Frank made Big G his herald), child Frank ran into the Celestials. He was not looking for a fight nor was he otherwise prepped or angry or anything. The Celestials went "urk, bad universe level mammajamma reality warper, don't even bother with an attack" and tried to sooth his emotions to negate his threat.
    In this case, there are high-end cosmics directly teleporting the nanoprobes straight into his body, which would do more than sooth his emotions, they'd flat out lobotomize him. So, kind of the same strategy that the Celestials were using, actually, only more so.

    In any event, Franklin's current state is that he's living through a power complication subplot. So he's hosed against either the Borg or the Q alone, much less both together.

    Some scans.

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    That's from this year, so recent goings on:

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    That's Frankie, even though he's not blond. He dyed his hair black because he's in "angry rebellious teen mode." Angry because his powers are cutting out on him again, and little sis is still a know-it-all. Bad time to go up against the Q or the Borg in a present-day scenario match....
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Drunkard Kid View Post
    If you're talking about the end of TNG, it was more that Q was playing with three different points in the same timeline in order to determine if he should give humanity the opportunity to stop an anomaly from retroactively preventing life from existing on Earth, after having spent the entirety of TNG observing Picard in order to properly make that decision.
    It was more than three points in the same time line because you had the people furthest back in time having events altered from the way they happened originally.

    Then you had the people in the middle time line who remembered things as they originally happened while Picard remembered both the original and changed versions.

    Then you had the future timeline but everybody in that time line except Picard remembered things as they originally happened, not the altered versions.

    So it was more as if Picard was mentally being moved into the past and future but they were also alternate time lines.

    In the end, it seemed Q erased all of the three time lines and returned Picard to the original time line where none of it happened except that Picard remembered it.
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    Stark and Reed Richards alone could probably beat the Borg, especially Voyager Borg.

    And considering that there are individual mutants with reality-warping powers Q might not even be above omega-level mutants like Franklin Richards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunofdarkchild View Post
    Stark and Reed Richards alone could probably beat the Borg, especially Voyager Borg.

    And considering that there are individual mutants with reality-warping powers Q might not even be above omega-level mutants like Franklin Richards.
    Idk about that...all the feats I’ve mentioned were ONE or two Q...not the entire continuum. When it was the Q civil war they were causing stars to go super nova though just from there fights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunofdarkchild View Post
    Stark and Reed Richards alone could probably beat the Borg, especially Voyager Borg.

    And considering that there are individual mutants with reality-warping powers Q might not even be above omega-level mutants like Franklin Richards.
    The Q aren't stupid. They'll be covertly scouting around before they let the Borg loose (scouting up and down the timeline, that's how they roll), and it seems very likely they'll learn of Earth.

    With a snap of Q fingers, all the great brains of earth can have Borg nanoprobes spontaneously appear throughout their bodies, instantly assimilating them before they even know there's a fight.

    Reed, Tony and Doom will become part of the Collective, and help them upgrade.

    If Doom is on-world at the time, the Borg will likely get him, and will know how to build Von Doom cosmic power absorbers.

    If Reed knows how to build Ultimate Nullifiers, the Collective gets that.

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    If present-day Reed still has that Nullifier, the Q and the Borg get it. If no more Nullifier, but Reed fathoms it, the Borg get the knowledge when he's assimilated.

    The Q can assimilate nearly the entire universe instantly by manifesting nanoprobes inside all physical beings.

    So, very likely the Borg get Ultimate Nullifiers for their cubes.

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    The Borg also assimilate technology with their nanoprobes, not just living beings. So if, say, Reed and Doom aren't on Earth at the time, or are somehow personally resistant to assimilation, the Borg get all the tech they've left lying around.

    In a Voyager episode, a few of Seven's nanoprobes assimilated a 29th century portable emitter, creating a super-drone based upon 29th century technology.

    When the Q fill the universe with nanoprobes (why wouldn't they?), the Borg get not only nearly every living being, but nearly all the tech in the universe. It becomes part of their Collective. The universe becomes their Collective.

    So if Reed and Doom have left that Nullifier and that cosmic power absorber lying around, the Borg get it.

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    The Q have very many options with the Borg. It hurts Team 616 that they don't get advance warning. If the Q aren't idiots, if they but covertly scout around first, their chances increase immeasurably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mider2009 View Post
    Idk about that...all the feats I’ve mentioned were ONE or two Q...not the entire continuum. When it was the Q civil war they were causing stars to go super nova though just from there fights.
    Omega level mutants have a huge range, with the top end, Franklin, being able to create universes by accident by themselves, and being depicted as being on par with or significantly higher than Celestials and on the same tier as a decently fed Galactus. As a point of reference, individual Celestials create armors out of galaxies (IIRC) and treat Odin and other Skyfathers like level one n00bs and Galactus is a fundamental aspect of the universe who is considered a brother to Eternity (the sentient embodiment of all life in the universe itself) and Death (the sentient embodiment of, well, death for that universe) and can casually teleport entire galaxies and destroy multiple star systems at once while at the dregs of his power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Drunkard Kid View Post
    Omega level mutants have a huge range, with the top end, Franklin, being able to create universes by accident by themselves, and being depicted as being on par with or significantly higher than Celestials and on the same tier as a decently fed Galactus. As a point of reference, individual Celestials create armors out of galaxies (IIRC) and treat Odin and other Skyfathers like level one n00bs and Galactus is a fundamental aspect of the universe who is considered a brother to Eternity (the sentient embodiment of all life in the universe itself) and Death (the sentient embodiment of, well, death for that universe) and can casually teleport entire galaxies and destroy multiple star systems at once while at the dregs of his power.
    How does this affect his biology?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalak View Post
    How does this affect his biology?
    Technically speaking, his power is *due* to his biology, specifically as a mutant. I sincerely doubt that Borg nanoprobes would ever be able to comprehend a genetic structure that allowed people to have Q-tier or higher levels of power and, in at least Adult Franklin's case, is completely unaffected by Blackbolt's voice, which is a cosmically powerful expression of Blackbolt's electron manipulation ability. Furthermore, while it's not a conclusive point and could have just been an example of PIS, if simply teleporting nanoprobes into his head was possible and plausible, that's beyond child's play to the Celestials in terms of both technology and cosmic powers, but they chose to try and soothe him instead.

    Also, I doubt that the Borg would be able to ever properly assimilate things like Celestial or Galactus tech, much less something like the Ultimate Nullifier, which is portrayed less as technology than as a cosmic force that is related to both Galactus and Death, which just happens to have a trigger.

    But that response in particular was about Q and the Q Continuum when compared to Omega Class mutants.
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