Squadron Supreme... Or Sinister?

[danielsan52]

I really with there was a 616 version that mirrored the 712’s.

We already have Kyle.

Amphibian would be a mutant and double as an X-character.

Speed Demon could reform - again.

[XPac]

The Squadron works best for me when they are on their own Earth with just an occasional crossover.

Yeah, I think the appeal to the Squadron really is you can tell stories you can't tell in the regular DC or Marvel. Put them in the regular 616 and they just become another bunch of superheroes.

[Thor-Ul]

I really with there was a 616 version that mirrored the 712’s.

We already have Kyle.

Amphibian would be a mutant and double as an X-character.

Speed Demon could reform - again.

Marvel zombies did something like that,with a zombie avengers team of Sentry, Moonknight, Thundra, Quicksilver, Quasar,Namor and Super Skrull.
I wonder if such team ever would become official in the 616.

[williamtheday]

Because DC has never used pastiches of Marvel characters right?

In a 1966 Brave&Bold team up with Metamorpho, Batman became Bat-Hulk!

[Michael Watkins]

Yeah, I think the appeal to the Squadron really is you can tell stories you can't tell in the regular DC or Marvel. Put them in the regular 616 and they just become another bunch of superheroes.

that makes no sense. a lot of characters have gone from being active in their own "universes" to operating in the 616 Marvel Universe. Spider-woman used to go several issues without encountering any other superheroes; same with Blade. the Squadron could be from the 616 and still adventure all over the place. just requires imagination.

[XPac]

that makes no sense. a lot of characters have gone from being active in their own "universes" to operating in the 616 Marvel Universe. Spider-woman used to go several issues without encountering any other superheroes; same with Blade. the Squadron could be from the 616 and still adventure all over the place. just requires imagination.

They can still have adventures .. they just can't have the same effect as they would in their own universe.

If the Squadron tried taking over the world like they do in other realities, the Avengers would stop them and that woyld be that. You csn go full Watchmen when its another reality. But in the 616, nothing you do has the same impact to the same scale.

Stories you see in Squadron or Watchmen or Miracle Man or the Authority almost never happen in the proper marvel or dc universe.

[Michael Watkins]

They can still have adventures .. they just can't have the same effect as they would in their own universe.

If the Squadron tried taking over the world like they do in other realities, the Avengers would stop them and that woyld be that. You csn go full Watchmen when its another reality. But in the 616, nothing you do has the same impact to the same scale.

Stories you see in Squadron or Watchmen or Miracle Man or the Authority almost never happen in the proper marvel or dc universe.

they happen often. they are just undone. Norman Osborn was, in effect, running the world. Malekith has currently taken over. Doom has done it a few times. pretty sure that Kang did it. Apocalypse. etc. and that's the thing. you can't ever do it full-term. it's boring. there were only so many stories they could tell with the Squadron having full control. it's the struggle for control that is entertaining imo.

[Thor-Ul]

that makes no sense. a lot of characters have gone from being active in their own "universes" to operating in the 616 Marvel Universe. Spider-woman used to go several issues without encountering any other superheroes; same with Blade. the Squadron could be from the 616 and still adventure all over the place. just requires imagination.

Spider Woman and Blade are not the best exaples to compare. They both operate more in the shadows, street level adventures. Just look what happened in the last series of the Squadron. Their first adventure was to destroy Atlantis, fight the Avengers and then they spend a lot of time, lost in the magic land. And in the end they were arrested by SHIELD.

They can still have adventures .. they just can't have the same effect as they would in their own universe.

If the Squadron tried taking over the world like they do in other realities, the Avengers would stop them and that woyld be that. You csn go full Watchmen when its another reality. But in the 616, nothing you do has the same impact to the same scale.

Stories you see in Squadron or Watchmen or Miracle Man or the Authority almost never happen in the proper marvel or dc universe.

Yep, status quo is the rule. The Squadron was a foil to overcome that rule in their own universe.

[XPac]

they happen often. they are just undone. Norman Osborn was, in effect, running the world. Malekith has currently taken over. Doom has done it a few times. pretty sure that Kang did it. Apocalypse. etc. and that's the thing. you can't ever do it full-term. it's boring. there were only so many stories they could tell with the Squadron having full control. it's the struggle for control that is entertaining imo.

But its not really Watchmen or Miracle Man if its undone in 4 issues. Squadron was marvels way to telling those sort of stories without really disrupting the 616 status quo too much.

[Michael Watkins]

Spider Woman and Blade are not the best exaples to compare. They both operate more in the shadows, street level adventures. Just look what happened in the last series of the Squadron. Their first adventure was to destroy Atlantis, fight the Avengers and then they spend a lot of time, lost in the magic land. And in the end they were arrested by .

Entirely the doing of a writer who didn't like or understand the characters he was writing; at least not as much as Jim Hammond and Namor. And you're both missing the point. I'm saying that they originate from the 616. Doesn't mean they don't find/adopt a world of their own. I'm talking about giving them some legitimacy, dismissing the alternate reality squadrons we've seen lose time and time again, and formally introducing the real Squadron Supreme. They could even work the new universe characters into it. They don't appear to be time displaced. They have 616 backstories. And they seem to prefer operating in the shadows.

[Michael Watkins]

But its not really Watchmen or Miracle Man if its undone in 4 issues. Squadron was marvels way to telling those sort of stories without really disrupting the 616 status quo too much.

Depends on how it's undone. Maybe they decide on their own that their methods are causing too much conflict. Maybe they adapt. These wouldn't be the same characters from the Squadron universe. They are not bound by their continuity. The Utopia program has been used before; by Zemo. There are areas of the Marvel Universe untouched by the Avengers. project Pegasus is back, as well.

[JudicatorPrime]

Unfortunately, because it's a pastiche, I don't think Marvel will ever really be able to deliver on a Squadron Supreme as a premier team. It will always have a fatal flaw and go through multiple versions and iterations over time. I advise not getting too attached to any version of the SS. The Squadron Sinister might have a better go of it. Or if Marvel ever decided to go there, a Legion of Doom pastiche might also work better for the MU.

If the choice were mine, though, I'd love to see a version of the Squadron Supreme that used original Marvel characters in the role of the otherwise pastiche characters, like so:

Superman - The Forgotten One
Batman - Black Panther
Wonder Woman - America Chavez
Flash - Quicksilver
Green Lantern - Captain Universe, or whomever happens to have the Quantum Bands
Martian Manhunter - The Impossible Man
Cyborg - Deathlok
Hawkgirl - The New Valkyrie
Aquaman - Namorita

[Ursalink]

You know an easy solution?, combine Secret Wars with Infinity Warps. Squadron Supreme's reality is destroyed and arrive Earth-616; and to make them stable, they are merged with other people who can suit them. Examples:

+ Golden Archer with Hawkeye.
+ Lady Lark with Mockingbird.
+ Blue Eague with Falcon as Captain America.
+ Moonglow with Scarlet Witch.
+ Amphibian with Namor.

[Digifiend]

Isn't Lady Lark the counterpart of Black Canary? I'd say Songbird is a closer match.

Green Lantern - Captain Universe, or whomever happens to have the Quantum Bands

That's currently Wendell Vaughn, the main Quasar.

[Ursalink]

Isn't Lady Lark the counterpart of Black Canary? I'd say Songbird is a closer match.

Songbird might have the powers, but everything else coming from Black Canary, Mockingbird has it.