Mcu vs dceu mixed battle:

[moonknight11]

Team 1: Aquaman, Iron Man, Faora, and DR Strange (no time stone)
vs
Team 2: Hulk, Nam-Ek, Mjolnir Captain America and Steppenwolf.


Which mixed live action team wins?

If Strange's BFR is too op, consider it not allowed.

[big_adventure]

Strange's BFR is too OP, so yeah, it has to be excluded.

Even without, he adds some really insane attack vectors (like he was doing against Thanos for Spider Man). Having Iron Man's high-end shots fired directly into someone's back is bad for that someone.

He can also bring in bindings which can restrain Thanos for a bit, and that's more than enough for Tony to kill anyone here with his super cutting beams or his bleeding edge shots.

Big issue here, like the other times we have this character, is "what exactly is Cap getting out of Mjolnir?" If he's basically Cap with some lightning and a hammer he can throw, he's not really moving the needle THAT much. If he's Thor-light, it probably swings the fight to team 2.

[The Arbiter]

Strange can summon a barrier and give himself time to create transmutation spells. Then butterflies. Butterflies for everyone!

[greatmetropolitan]

Cap's definitely getting a physical boost from Mjolnir, surely, given that he was able to hold and Stormbreaker, however briefly? Thor said the Guardians' bodies would be destroyed just holding the thing. That Cap's didn't implies a level of invulnerability granted by Mjolnir, no? Even when not holding Mjolnir he has a connection to it, given that he can summon it back to him, so when he's trading hammers with Thor, I'm assuming he's got a stat buff.

[Darth Drizzle]

It might be a nitpick but Dr Strange only transmuted energy and not people like Thanos did with the Reality Stone. Barring his in house Thor scenes where he conjured beer and the like I don't we can grant him transmutation of living people.

[The Arbiter]

It might be a nitpick but Dr Strange only transmuted energy and not people like Thanos did with the Reality Stone. Barring his in house Thor scenes where he conjured beer and the like I don't we can grant him transmutation of living people.

Are people more complicated the singularities?

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

Are people more complicated the singularities?

Yes. If only because their memories work like a singularity. Stuff goes in, it never comes out.

[Darth Drizzle]

Are people more complicated the singularities?

Energy manipulators aren't granted feats for affecting biological people like they do with energy.

Vulcan(the Mutant) was a high end energy manipulator but he doesn't get feats for transmutation of people because of it.

[The Arbiter]

Energy manipulators aren't granted feats for affecting biological people like they do with energy.

Vulcan(the Mutant) was a high end energy manipulator but he doesn't get feats for transmutation of people because of it.

A black hole is matter.

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

A black hole is matter.

All matter matters, Arby.

[Darth Drizzle]

A black hole is matter.

It's still energy manipulation and not a living person though. In most cases of energy manipulators it is stated to not be affected by their powers which is why they blast people with beams and not turn them to Stone or butterflies.

[The Arbiter]

It's still energy manipulation and not a living person though. In most cases of energy manipulators it is stated to not be affected by their powers which is why they blast people with beams and not turn them to Stone or butterflies.

This is getting wacky. How is turning a black hole into something other than a black hole (which is matter - just like people are) "energy manipulation" and not just plain old transmutation?

Question: If Thanos had thrown a rock at Strange and he had turned that into butterflies, would you still being trying to argue "energy manipulation"? Or would you feel turning a rock into not a rock is a fine example of transmutation?

[The Arbiter]

All matter matters, Arby.

I'm gonna need you to leave ;P

[Darth Drizzle]

This is getting wacky. How is turning a black hole into something other than a black hole (which is matter - just like people are) "energy manipulation" and not just plain old transmutation?

Question: If Thanos had thrown a rock at Strange and he had turned that into butterflies, would you still being trying to argue "energy manipulation"? Or would you feel turning a rock into not a rock is a fine example of transmutation?

All transmutation is not the same as some people can only effect energy, some only biological materials, and other high end people do both. Stranges feat while against a black hole(even though it didn't act like a actual black hole of that size would) doesn't mean he could transmute Thor into butterflies or Iron Man into water without doing something similar.

If Strange could easily transmute solid matter/people than he would have shown to do so before in many occasions where it would have been preferable instead of 1 time between his own movie, Thor's movie, and 2 World changing wars(Infinity and Endgame).

I know PIS goes hand in hand with MCU but casually saying Strange can easily transmute anything does not seem right at all.

[Slade1]

A black hole is matter.

Technically, a black hole is not matter. It's an intense gravitational force. The source of a black hole is matter but not the black hole itself.