I think the secret Id will be resolved quickly while the bad public image will take a lot longer to resolve.
I think the secret Id will be resolved quickly while the bad public image will take a lot longer to resolve.
For those who think they're trying to make Spider-Man the next Iron Man, I regret to inform you that you completely missed the thread running throughout the whole film.
Anyway, I had fun. Mysterio was A+ awesome, such a great take on the character. I hope to see him again sometime. A little bit too much of Peter's classmates and teachers for my taste, I think Homecoming had the recipe just about right on that front, while Far From Home here has a lot more web swinging action - or at least felt like it. If I were to rank my favourite Spider-Man films...
1. Spider-Man 2 - 10/10
2. Homecoming
3. Into The Spider-Verse
4. Far From Home - 8/10
I thought it was a nice touch but I agree that they shouldn't go to the well too many times.
It served a great purpose here though, to help show that while Peter had put Tony up on a lofty pedestal that the reality was that he clearly had a multitude of flaws and florked up repeatedly in his life - hell, Happy directly tells him as such. Tony himself told Peter himself that he wanted him to be better than he was, and in the end it's reinforced that Peter doesn't and shouldn't fit into Stark's mold. A lovely character arc about growing and becoming your own person, or hero.
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They better tell us something about Spider-Man's next movie on SDCC 2019, because I'm going to get nuts after the Post-Credits' scenes.
Again, I don't see it as big of a deal as you apparently do. Maybe it's because I've been a comic book fan for so long and have been following Spider-Man for nearly 30 years now that I don't need to be reminded that Uncle Ben died and Peter was complicit regarding what led to Ben's death. I just don't think it's needed or anywhere near the biggest gripe fans can/should have regarding the MCU Spider-Man.
I suppose there are a few factors, first and foremost, Uncle Ben dies in the comics and that spurs Peter to become the heroic Spider-man. This is seen by the fan base as the "correct" way of starting a Spider-man franchise. Add to this that all other movie versions have used Ben in this era of Spider-man's career, so it is kind of the done thing now, which again leads fans to expect it.
They've chose (AGAIN) to use a teenage Spider-man who is new to everything, so the wound should still be very fresh and raw.
Another factor is that as time has gone on in the comics Ben has grown to this legendary figure, a paragon of wisdom and virtue. His death (and life) is now such a huge part of Spider-man, and Peter's life in general, that he towers over modern Spider-man comics in a way he never really did in the 70's, 80's and 90's. Heck, in the Ditko/Lee era of Spider-man Ben's death is rarely mentioned. The effects are felt, in that bills are pressing and Peter needs to be the man of the house, but Peter's actions, struggle and focus is FAR more focused on his living Aunt May. I think Peter evokes Ben's memory a handful of times during this time.
Lastly, a part of it is just fans being precious and entitled. Spider-man is OUR thing, and if the general audience want to enjoy him it should be on our terms and faithful to the character we know and love. And I can be as guilty of feeling it as anyone.
But yeah, I completely agree that at the end of the day skipping and failing to fetishize Uncle Ben's death is far from the biggest problem with this interpretation of Spider-man.
And it is just that; an interpretation. It doesn't have to be 100% comic accurate because, hard as it may be to believe, it wasn't made for Spider-man comic book fans. We are such a tiny percentage of the audience, and they can pretty much count on our money regardless.
These are fun movies that are doing well. They are getting our hero out there and hopefully finding new fans and bring in a new generation of comic book readers to keep our beloved hobby around for the next 50 years.
"Has Sariel summoned you here, Azrael? Have you come to witness the miracle of your brethren arriving on Earth?"
"I WILL MIX THE ASHES OF YOUR BONES WITH SALT AND USE THEM TO ENSURE THE EARTH THE TEMPLARS TILLED NEVER BEARS FRUIT AGAIN!"
"*sigh* I hoped it was for the miracle."
Dan Watters' Azrael was incredible, a constant delight and perhaps too good for this world (but not the Forth). For the love of St. Dumas, DC, give us more!!!
And you need to stop acting as some sort of Spider-Man fandom gatekeeper. If I could get by as a child watching Spidey cartoons that ignored the Uncle Ben moment and still could love and understand the character, I am sure MCU movie fans can as well.
It's not different. A movie is just a story. It may be longer and have a better budget but that's it. If a comic issue or cartoon episode doesn't mention Uncle Ben in it, it doesn't mean it automatically fails as a Spider-Man property. The MCU Spider-Man is it's own thing and it works just fine for the feel of the universe it exists in.
Issue 24 was titled "One on One" it wasn't part of "Hunted." And there's no reason the movies can't rely on the fact that audiences are probably already familiar with Uncle Ben from the older films or other Spider media. I can honestly go the rest of my life without seeing another Uncle Ben or Thomas and Martha Wayne flashback murder scene.
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There was no mention of arrests in the case of Beck's support team. Obviously, William escaped to leak the doctored footage. I guess everyone else just dropped out of sight as well. If Beck is genuinely dead, hmm.. I guess we'll see.
Nobody is asking to see Peter crying, or see Uncle Ben getting shot.
The point is that Ben as Spider-Man's moral compass has been replaced with Iron Man in the MCU -- because that makes sense for Disney's corporate branding -- but this creative choice makes this version of Peter a fundamentally different character.
MCU Peter Parker views his responsibility as being primarily to imitate the heroics of The Avengers, and to protect Tony Stark's interests and reputation. That's fine if you prefer it. But it's fundamentally different from a Peter Parker whose actions are motivated by a responsibility to protect random innocent people.
Another thing that bother me and took me out of the SM feel is the absence of stakes.
SM in the MCU isn´t alone and he isn't the underdog fighting against the odds, triumphing through his guts/brilliance/perseverance.
The moment he is defeated and left stranded in the middle of nowhere in freaking Holland, he just makes a phone call, gets a private jet to pick him up, receives a pep talk, a new costume and he is off after Mysterio...
And I didn't even mention Nick Fury backing him up in the first half of the movie
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This movie was great, Mysterio was truly amazing and I can't believe how well they modernized yet remained true to the character. The only "flaw" for me is that its still a Disney made-for TV franchise. The schoolkids, teachers, all the goofiness when characters are interacting. This thing is half serous Spider-Man movie and half run of the mill typical Disney teen flick. Also its the Ultimate verse rather than the 616, like all the rest of the MCU, which is just a lesser universe than the one Stan Lee built. This comes out especially with the "Iron Boy" stuff that continues and the interconnectivity of everything that happens to Stark and/or the Avengers. Bendis lives on at Marvel.
So my new up-to-date Spidey movie list preferences:
1. Spider-Man 2 - still perfection
2. Into the Spider-Verse - near perfection, but points knocked off for some weak villainy
3. Spider-Man 1 - flawed but its solidly the 616 and had great set up material
4. Spider-Man 3 - honestly I could flip this with Spider-Man 1 and be ok. They are about equal to me.
5. Spider-Man: Far From Home - yep this is closest to Raimi yet! Even had you know who in an after-credits scene, I mean wow
6. Spider-Man: Homecoming - good flick
7. Amazing Spider-Man 2 - Polished turd
8. Unpolished turd that was ASM
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This is the entire final act of the movie. Spider-man goes into battle alone against impossible odds, a threat who has the power and intention of leveling London/UK/Europe (it kinda changes), with nothing more than a suit he made on the fly (accidental pun, I'm keeping it). In the end he literally closes his eyes and relies only on his Spider-Sense (that is it's name, screw you movie! Lol). That is the most Spider-man thing you can do!
In the same vein as the first movie, he has help and support throughout the movies and tends to fail or fall short. When his back is against the wall, when there is no one around to help him, he somehow plucks up his courage and rises to the occasion, gets his ass kicked and still gets up to find a way to win. This was actually something Ditko put in this early issues to keep Spider-man away from other heroes, usually with Spidery and Human Torch.
"Has Sariel summoned you here, Azrael? Have you come to witness the miracle of your brethren arriving on Earth?"
"I WILL MIX THE ASHES OF YOUR BONES WITH SALT AND USE THEM TO ENSURE THE EARTH THE TEMPLARS TILLED NEVER BEARS FRUIT AGAIN!"
"*sigh* I hoped it was for the miracle."
Dan Watters' Azrael was incredible, a constant delight and perhaps too good for this world (but not the Forth). For the love of St. Dumas, DC, give us more!!!
Finally went and saw it tonight and enjoyed it quite a bit. My immediate hot take is Jake Gyllenhal as Mysterio is easily the best portrayal of a Spider-Man rogue put to film.
I think Raimi vs the MCU debate is kind of played out since both movies have taken completely different approaches to adapting The Spider-Man myth is to film.
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