Uncanny X-men 21 [LGY 643] *Spoilers*

[Snoop Dogg]

Why do people not read a thread before posting? It's like jumping into the middle of a conversation and just saying what was already discussed.

no one wants to read 20+ pages of me whining about x-men power creep while everyone else sinks deeper and deeper into the depths of despair

[Tycon]

We need to have another CBR relaunch so new users can have the perfect jumping-on point for thread discussions.

[Decoy]

Buying giant purple robots and then forgetting why they made them seems like something I can imagine the American government doing.

The other issue is that some humans are immune to telepathy (most notably Madelyn when she was just a ordinary human who bore a resemblance to Jean Grey, not being a clone.....), either naturally or through other means (technology, like Iron Man......who had safe guards to protect from telepathic assault after Kang......telepaths themselves like MODAK, sorcerers like Shaman, Talisman, Dr Strange, Brother Voodoo, or just plain nuts, like Deadpool.......)........there’s too many variables.....

[Glio]

The point is that Rosenberg had Magik as the perfect tool to complete the mindwipe. She has magic + time travel, with some mystical bullshit could have been the perfect excuse to justify what telepathy can not do, that is, delete books, computers and others.

[Hulkout42]

The point is that Rosenberg had Magik as the perfect tool to complete the mindwipe. She has magic + time travel, with some mystical bullshit could have been the perfect excuse to justify what telepathy can not do, that is, delete books, computers and others.

And instead, she was turned into another casualty and let's not forget the utter waste that is Hope in all of this, mutant messiah? All that training from Cable was an utter waste, is she even relevant anymore? Was she ever?

This whole thing is like watching the Titanic sink right as the Hindenburg is about to crash into it.

Really wondering how the hell Hickman is going to pull off this doozy of a miracle and make the X-men relevant again. I mean i feel the man is good at the long game and it does pay off but man does he have his work cut out for him.

[Havok83]

And instead, she was turned into another casualty and let's not forget the utter waste that is Hope in all of this, mutant messiah? All that training from Cable was an utter waste, is she even relevant anymore? Was she ever?

This whole thing is like watching the Titanic sink right as the Hindenburg is about to crash into it.

Really wondering how the hell Hickman is going to pull off this doozy of a miracle and make the X-men relevant again. I mean i feel the man is good at the long game and it does pay off but man does he have his work cut out for him.

She was the mutant messiah. She already completed her destiny and isnt meant to be the savior of every single crisis that happens. And yes she was relevant. She was highly relevant from Messiah Complex through AvX

[cranger]

She was the mutant messiah. She already completed her destiny and isnt meant to be the savior of every single crisis that happens. And yes she was relevant. She was highly relevant from Messiah Complex through AvX

You just avoided the actual point about Hope. None of her anything mattered. She could have been introduced the issue before and nothing changes: Everyone wants Hope because the Phoenix is coming for her, Wolverine tries to kill her, Spider-Man trains her in the ways of the Iron Fist, Wanda holds hands to activate Special Wonder Powers!

[spirit2011]

You just avoided the actual point about Hope. None of her anything mattered. She could have been introduced the issue before and nothing changes: Everyone wants Hope because the Phoenix is coming for her, Wolverine tries to kill her, Spider-Man trains her in the ways of the Iron Fist, Wanda holds hands to activate Special Wonder Powers!

You mean it was a waste of time? X-men has wasting so much

[phoenixzero23]

It wasn't a waste of time. By that logic everything is a waste of time because on comics our characers will never truly have decisive victories. If they did we wouldn't have stories.
They will always fight superhard to save the world just for another thread an another characters have to do it again in a few months

Saying that Hope was a waste of time is the same as saying that every other hero or story is.

[cranger]

It wasn't a waste of time. By that logic everything is a waste of time because on comics our characers will never truly have decisive victories. If they did we wouldn't have stories.
They will always fight superhard to save the world just for another thread an another characters have to do it again in a few months

Saying that Hope was a waste of time is the same as saying that every other hero or story is.

No, some things can be a waste of time without making everything else a waste of time.

Individual stories Hope was in could be worthwhile, but her overall arc could still be seen as a waste of time when looked at how it ended because her arc was mostly about the big ending. If the ending fails to deliver, it is fair to say it was a waste of time.

[Havok83]

You just avoided the actual point about Hope. None of her anything mattered. She could have been introduced the issue before and nothing changes: Everyone wants Hope because the Phoenix is coming for her, Wolverine tries to kill her, Spider-Man trains her in the ways of the Iron Fist, Wanda holds hands to activate Special Wonder Powers!

You completely skip everything that happened before AvX. She fufilled the first part of her messiah prophecy in Second Coming. The vast majority of the mutants that were left on Earth were on Utopia. Bastian had them trapped in a dome and they were all about to be slaughtered save for a few dozen that werent there. It was Hope that destroyed him and the dome, freeing everyone, allowing those mutants to survive. She also reignited mutant evolution by making it so that the X-gene could once again be activated and the event ended with new mutants popping up around the globe. Nothing with her mattered? Um what? Had she not existed, X-Factor would have been the only team left

[phoenixzero23]

No, some things can be a waste of time without making everything else a waste of time.

Individual stories Hope was in could be worthwhile, but her overall arc could still be seen as a waste of time when looked at how it ended because her arc was mostly about the big ending. If the ending fails to deliver, it is fair to say it was a waste of time.

All arcs are a waste of time, Cyclops going revolutionary, Emma joining the X-men, Jean's life, marriage, death. Everything is undone and doesn't matter.

[spirit2011]

The whole problem with Hope that she fullfilled her destiny, then jeen arrived and now Jean is back.

[Rosebunse]

I guess I'm just confused. We see Storm and Wolverine in some of the upcoming comics. Then we have Hickman's whole thing.

Then you have that fact that some mutants would just be born or start ahowing their powers. This just seems so weirdly done and lazy.

[cranger]

All arcs are a waste of time, Cyclops going revolutionary, Emma joining the X-men, Jean's life, marriage, death. Everything is undone and doesn't matter.

That is the only one of those that was a "waste" as it was hyped, used as a reason for a lot of crap to happen, and then never resolved as part of the story. Some things need a payoff, some things do not.