Amazons and baby boys

[AmiMizuno]

I said this on the controversial thread about the amazons having children. That their children are reborn souls of girls being abandoned or killed has infants. Someone said what about boys. If this id handled well how should the Amazons deal with boys? Why should no man enter on Paradise Island? I think due to the fact Ares is now on the Island that Ares wants the men to conquer the Amazons.

[MajorHoy]

I said this on the controversial thread about the amazons having children. That their children are reborn souls of girls being abandoned or killed has infants. Someone said what about boys. If this id handled well how should the Amazons deal with boys? Why should no man enter on Paradise Island? I think due to the fact Ares is now on the Island that Ares wants the men to conquer the Amazons.

If my ancient memory serves me right, it use to be something like this:

* Golden-Age to pre-CoIE = Amazons didn't have babies (hence Diana created from clay)
* post-CoIE = under George Pérez' tenure(?), the idea of children of the Amazons as "reborn souls of girls being abandoned or killed" was introduced
* post-Flashpoint/New52 revision = Amazons become pregnant through encounters with sailors; any male infants are given to Hephaestus and are forced to work for him

Personally, with an all-female society like the Amazons, especially if they normally don't leave the island, avoiding the issue of children / pregnancy makes the most sense.

[kjn]

Pérez had the original Amazons come from the souls of women killed by "man's ear and ignorance"; Diana is the first child among them "in over 30 centuries".

My personal take on it would be that there were children born on Themyscira—both male and female—by Amazons already pregnant when they arrived, and likely some children arriving with them as well. The girls were raised as Amazons, and were Diana's childhood friends and those who competed against her in the contest. The boys were given to the care of the Patrons, probably Artemis and Hermes. Their fate is unknown to the Amazons. The knowledge about them is a shameful secret and source of sorrow for the original Amazons.

(That's also how I'd give Diana a brother. It is Hippolyta's first-born son to an unknown father.)

[WonderScott]

I like the idea that Diana is the only child of the Amazons as it makes her unique and gives a different perspective than the rest of her sisters. At least I liked how Perez presented it. The familiarity Diana had with all Amazons and how some had a more familial vibe.

The clay birth works best for me as well, because I like how it blends somewhat into Diana finding a family of choice over a family of genetics. For that same reason, I prefer Donna Troy's original origin. It shows Diana showing up for a lost, alone little girl, seeing something special in her, and embracing her as family, along with Hippolyta and the other Amazons.

[AmiMizuno]

Pérez had the original Amazons come from the souls of women killed by "man's ear and ignorance"; Diana is the first child among them "in over 30 centuries".

My personal take on it would be that there were children born on Themyscira—both male and female—by Amazons already pregnant when they arrived, and likely some children arriving with them as well. The girls were raised as Amazons, and were Diana's childhood friends and those who competed against her in the contest. The boys were given to the care of the Patrons, probably Artemis and Hermes. Their fate is unknown to the Amazons. The knowledge about them is a shameful secret and source of sorrow for the original Amazons.

(That's also how I'd give Diana a brother. It is Hippolyta's first-born son to an unknown father.)

What if instead Ares had kidnapped them? That he found away to get the boys to be his servants?

[CRaymond]

What if instead Ares had kidnapped them? That he found away to get the boys to be his servants?

Nah. That seems really icky. The trading for weapons from Hephaestus was weird enough.

[AmiMizuno]

True. I just don't like the idea of the Amazons giving away their children. Unless something was going to happen to the men. Maybe some of the Amazons moved to a Island to take care of their sons instead of giving them away.

[kjn]

What if instead Ares had kidnapped them? That he found away to get the boys to be his servants?

Apart from what CRaymond wrote, it wouldn't fit thematically. What if the price the Amazons had to pay for their refuge of Themyscira was literally to give up half of their children?

If a writer gets to explore this, I don't want it to be any evil acts or dark secrets or conspiracies involved. Shame, love, regret, and longing yes, but not evil acts.

[AmiMizuno]

Apart from what CRaymond wrote, it wouldn't fit thematically. What if the price the Amazons had to pay for their refuge of Themyscira was literally to give up half of their children?

If a writer gets to explore this, I don't want it to be any evil acts or dark secrets or conspiracies involved. Shame, love, regret, and longing yes, but not evil acts.

But much llike Banas. I feel like some Amazons still had their sons on the Island. One thing could also work that the original contest was for amazons who gave up their children were to fight to visit their sons. So a number of stories can be explored. Why would the price of half their kids be refuge.That would be a great reason. Maybe out of fear from some of the Amazons.

[AmiMizuno]

If my ancient memory serves me right, it use to be something like this:

* Golden-Age to pre-CoIE = Amazons didn't have babies (hence Diana created from clay)
* post-CoIE = under George Pérez' tenure(?), the idea of children of the Amazons as "reborn souls of girls being abandoned or killed" was introduced
* post-Flashpoint/New52 revision = Amazons become pregnant through encounters with sailors; any male infants are given to Hephaestus and are forced to work for him

Personally, with an all-female society like the Amazons, especially if they normally don't leave the island, avoiding the issue of children / pregnancy makes the most sense.

Actually the Golden Age amazons did have children(from clay). Mala was one of them. In one comic we have Diana's 7th birthday with the other Amazon children. All the Golden Age Amazons were born of clay and the children they wanted were to.