Does anyone hate MCU films?

[Cyke]

Social consciousness is in the fabric of X-Men, they don’t do it just to look like they’re woke. Only recently the MCU is doing something to pretend like they are woke.

It's that kind of gatekeeping that hampers and contradicts activism, not promotes it -- and no one other than the communities that are centered by those topics are the authorities for it. BP and Captain Marvel were intentionally staffed by representation behind the scenes in key positions precisely to nail those topics on the head (and this is where Dr. Strange and Iron Fist failed). If anything, gatekeeping is more performative than sincere since it's not promoting, but controlling, and controlling is the exact opposite of what you look for when you're trying to build movements (if we're staying true to the X-Men, this is why Xavier preached human/mutant coalitions, rather than Magneto prioritizing the takedown of human supremacy).

And a reminder that Black Panther was made by Lee and Kirby specifically because there were no Black heroes coming from a place of Black empowerment back then -- almost all Black comic characters at the time (however few of them there were) came from some stereotypical but ultimately subservient or inferior role. Don McGregor explicitly had Panther fight white supremacy in the mid 70s. And you would cause an uproar of social media proprortions if you said Christopher Priest and (especially) Ta-Nahisi Coates were posers -- and yet the BP MCU material is straight form all those names, utilized and directed by Ryan Coogler, whose first film brought attention to Oscar Grant's murder -- one of the pivotal moments in the birth of the Black Lives Matter movement. That's a far, far cry from pretending to be woke, given all those collective CVs. The same way Lee and Kirby tapped into their observations on race and experiences as Jewish men to write the X-Men -- that same approach has to be credited to the life of Black Panther just as much.

And same with Captain Marvel and Chris Claremont's personal quest to depict more and more powerful women on page -- that's why the in the mid-late 80s, the X-Men were outnumbered by the X-Women, and why he placed so much emphasis on Jean, Storm, and Kitty. When women writers in the last decade carried on Claremont's traditions in writing Carol, it propelled her own popularity. But those women writers were able to do so because they had a lens and experience that Claremont didn't have by virtue of not being a woman, and it's something that Claremont encouraged of his female successors. So likewise for Captain Marvel and the build-up into other media, it cannot be dismissed with such cynicism if we're affording the X-Men a great amount of sincerity.

If we can give the X-Men that leeway to perform their politics, we have to afford that to other properties, too; Star Trek was doing it to a wider audience before the X-Men reached that level, after all, and social justice was woven into the fabric of Trek since the pilot. So what if the X-Men are famous for it? That doesn't mean they're the only ones that are allowed to do it. Others should be given the chance to do it without cynicism, and judging from the aforementioned think pieces and academic works, Black Panther, Captain Marvel, and others are doing it in ways that promotes and fleshes out intellectual and activist discourse.

Franchises stay alive because they make money, yes. But Disney go way beyond this by flooding the market with three movies a year, that’s what I mean by cash grab.

Disney can because they have the capacity to do it, with an entire division devoted to just that corner. If Fox had the capacity and resources to do so, they would have -- that's a studio's dream. That's nothing to fault. No one complained about output in 2016, when Fox released Apocalypse and Deadpool in the same year. Fox's original plan for 2019 was to see the release of both Dark Phoenix and New Mutants, until the latter was pushed to 2020 and then ran into further release complications. There may have been complaints and concerns here or there about quality, but not quantity.

[XPac]

Social consciousness is in the fabric of X-Men, they don’t do it just to look like they’re woke. Only recently the MCU is doing something to pretend like they are woke.

Franchises stay alive because they make money, yes. But Disney go way beyond this by flooding the market with three movies a year, that’s what I mean by cash grab.

Supply and demand ultimately dictate that sort of thing. If there is a legitimate demand for super hero movies, and Disney is capable of supplying super hero movies to meet that demand, then give people something they're willing to spend their money for. If supply outpaces demand, then box office will slow down and Disney can recalibrate their business model accordingly.

But if anything, MCU box office is trending upwards. The last 5 out of 6 movies earned over a billion dollars. So as long as they're able to meet the demand of the public, there's no reason they shouldn't. Is that a cash grab? To a degree sure, but the same can be said for basically any movie studio putting out super hero movies. If anything I think with Marvel Studios it's more than JUST a cash grab because I think there's greater investment in it.

[luprki]

Flooding the market is just pure greed

[Midvillian1322]

Flooding the market is just pure greed

Greed sure but not Pure greed. The fans want more and Marvel is giving them what they want

[XPac]

Flooding the market is just pure greed

If you're giving your audience what they want, I would hardly call it a bad thing.

[Star_Jammer]

LOL...Disney shouldn’t sell a thing...because it’s actually selling.

Do people ever stop to hear themselves speaking?

[Beaddle]

Supply and demand ultimately dictate that sort of thing. If there is a legitimate demand for super hero movies, and Disney is capable of supplying super hero movies to meet that demand, then give people something they're willing to spend their money for. If supply outpaces demand, then box office will slow down and Disney can recalibrate their business model accordingly.

But if anything, MCU box office is trending upwards. The last 5 out of 6 movies earned over a billion dollars. So as long as they're able to meet the demand of the public, there's no reason they shouldn't. Is that a cash grab? To a degree sure, but the same can be said for basically any movie studio putting out super hero movies. If anything I think with Marvel Studios it's more than JUST a cash grab because I think there's greater investment in it.

And we are back to box office argument. Billion dollars movies are chicken change for Disney, why don't disney really test themselves than the same old , same old generic formula movies. this is a bigger problem than the MCU. many of their animated fans have noticed that the live action movies of their animated classic are even more dumb down compared to the original cartoons. What a waste.

[XPac]

And we are back to box office argument. Billion dollars movies are chicken change for Disney, why don't disney really test themselves than the same old , same old generic formula movies. this is a bigger problem than the MCU. many of their animated fans have noticed that the live action movies of their animated classic are even more dumb down compared to the original cartoons. What a waste.

In response to the arguement of Marvel flooding the market, I think you can't help but mention box office. That's ultimately the practical barameter for guaging too much or not enough. If they're putting out more and they're getting more money, then it's an indication they're doing what they should be doing to supply the content their audience wants.

[luprki]

Greed sure but not Pure greed. The fans want more and Marvel is giving them what they want

That’s the problem, The entertainment industry has always been a mixture of a business and a creative artistic platform. The MCU has become all business. They care only about box office not creative artistic integrity. Artistic integrity don’t give the audience what they want, but it challenge the audience. The greatest art has come from challenging the audience. By Marvel giving the fans what they want means that the MCU is only a cash grab.
Now is not limited to the MCU, but MCU is on steroids with this greed.

[XPac]

That’s the problem, The entertainment industry has always been a mixture of a business and a creative artistic platform. The MCU has become all business. They care only about box office not creative artistic integrity. Artistic integrity don’t give the audience what they want, but it challenge the audience. The greatest art has come from challenging the audience. By Marvel giving the fans what they want means that the MCU is only a cash grab.
Now is not limited to the MCU, but MCU is on steroids with this greed.

MCU gave the audience what they wanted, while Fox in the end failed to deliver what they wanted. Not shockingly the former seemed to work out better than the later.

[Killerbee911]

Flooding the market is just pure greed

Flooding the Market? Hollywood alone makes about 600 movies a year. 3 movies is flooding the market? I am sorry I see this argument when people are talking about superhero movies. Which make up about 12 of the 600 hundred movies a year Hollywood. The implication that Disney is flooding market is saying Disney and superhero genre is putting out the same thing over and over with no real merit. The next 3 Disney movies are Black Widow a spy movie, Eternals a non traditional superhero movie which is closer to say Clash of Titans, and Shang Chi a martial art movie. If Disney was shoving Capes and Cowls superhero movies down people throats they would be flooding the Market.

Disney is not being artistic enough. But the next couple movies is spy movie, A movie about modern space Gods, A martial art movie, A Magic user in supposedly to Horror Film, A Thor movie featuring a Love story apparently, Black Panther 2 and GoTG 3 space opera comedy,and a Vampire Hunter. Okay whatever. There is a method to madness Marvel put the traditional superhero stuff first and now they are starting to dig to more different and non traditional stuff. And It helps everyone including DCEU and Sony. We live in a world where an Animal Man movie could be made, A Sandman movie can be made,A Miracle Man movie can be made, etc We have enough superhero movies now that we are getting superhero deconstruction stuff because people know the genre well. You don't get that stuff without Marvel opening the general audience to the superhero genre in its pure form. We had movie with a big purple man, talking tree and raccoon fighting over magic stones that can destroy the universe and general audience was as hyped as hardcore fans. MCU is a gateway drug into superhero genre movies. You don't get companies attempting to put out Bloodshot or Jupiter Legacy projects without the MCU.

[Midvillian1322]

Studios wanna make money they are all greedy. WB has had some setback with some if they're movies but we still had Aquman come out end of last year and play well into this year and then Shazam and Joker. If Justice wouldn't have done so bad I'm certain we would be getting 3 movies a year from them. Disney is just in a position other studios wish they were. Where as of NOW demand exceeds supply. Disney csnt really do more then 3 MCU movies a year without stepping on they're own toes and hurting profits. But given how much the General audience eats these movies up they could put out more I'm sure. Untill the inevitable day they put out a stinker and faith in the MCU starts to decrease

[Killerbee911]

Studios wanna make money they are all greedy. WB has had some setback with some if they're movies but we still had Aquman come out end of last year and play well into this year and then Shazam and Joker. If Justice wouldn't have done so bad I'm certain we would be getting 3 movies a year from them. Disney is just in a position other studios wish they were. Where as of NOW demand exceeds supply. Disney csnt really do more then 3 MCU movies a year without stepping on they're own toes and hurting profits. But given how much the General audience eats these movies up they could put out more I'm sure. Untill the inevitable day they put out a stinker and faith in the MCU starts to decrease

We are still getting Batman, Flash and Suicide Squad movies in 2021. Yeah if Superman and Justice League had done better we would have up to about 3 movies from DC. We were suppose to have Cyborg in 2020. That would have been third DC movie in 2020 along with Birds of Prey and Wonder Woman 1984 not to mention Green Lantern Corps was also schedule for 2020. We were suppose to get a Deathstroke movie at some point too. I am pretty sure New Mutants, Dark Phoenix and Gambit suppose to line up in the same year as well.

[Star_Jammer]

And a Multiple Man movie. And a Kitty Pryde movie.

Look at that Fox Studios. Attempting to flood the market with adult mature movies that feature kissing, blood/violence, and jokes 13-year olds tell.

Greedy SOB’s.

[Beaddle]

Disney is not being artistic enough. But the next couple movies is spy movie, A movie about modern space Gods, A martial art movie, A Magic user in supposedly to Horror Film, A Thor movie featuring a Love story apparently, Black Panther 2 and GoTG 3 space opera comedy,and a Vampire Hunter. Okay whatever. There is a method to madness Marvel put the traditional superhero stuff first and now they are starting to dig to more different and non traditional stuff. And It helps everyone including DCEU and Sony. We live in a world where an Animal Man movie could be made, A Sandman movie can be made,A Miracle Man movie can be made, etc We have enough superhero movies now that we are getting superhero deconstruction stuff because people know the genre well. You don't get that stuff without Marvel opening the general audience to the superhero genre in its pure form. We had movie with a big purple man, talking tree and raccoon fighting over magic stones that can destroy the universe and general audience was as hyped as hardcore fans. MCU is a gateway drug into superhero genre movies. You don't get companies attempting to put out Bloodshot or Jupiter Legacy projects without the MCU.

All this ''artistic'' enough project and still no Deadpool 3 officially announced. All these projects all getting ready to be factory processed as usual on ASAP time. Disney is so ''artistic'' that Aladdin and Far from home basically had the exact same early review reactions of ''pure fun'' and ''great fun''.

He damaged Superman's bankability for a long time with his extremely boring and underperforming film. Man that was a yawnfest. It showed in the box office too. Was there any action in that movie?

Because Spiderman 2002, spiderman 2, X1, X2 and Blade are not considered marvel movies on marvel forums.

Singer was 3-1 for xmen movies, that is pretty decent. Also he made X2 that makes avengers movies look like superficial kid friendly animations movies disney wants them to be. Let me see Disney score 1 with xmen with their juvenile manufactured formula.