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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNewGod View Post
    Simon said they had to change Cap's shield because of the ruckus Pep's publishers kicked up. Ironic how they forced Timely to change a rival's gimmick to something that became iconic.
    Yeah, true. You can't throw a triangular shield like you toss a Frisbee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNewGod View Post
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    Captain America? Marvel stole that idea from Pep Comics' Shield. Even Captain America's original shield has the same triangular shape as the chest emblem of the Shield.
    Simon said they had to change Cap's shield because of the ruckus Pep's publishers kicked up. Ironic how they forced Timely to change a rival's gimmick to something that became iconic.
    Yep, forcing them to make the shield round, is one of the better things that could have happened to the character.


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    Absolutely! Nonetheless, doing the geneolgy is fun.
    Exactly! Looking at you Man-Thing and Swamp Thing.



    Even though swamp creatures anbound in fiction, Sturgeon's "It" and can be traced to all kinds of legends and folklore
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    Quote Originally Posted by Güicho View Post
    Forcing them to make the shield round, is the best thing that could have happened to the character.




    Exactly! Looking at you Man-Thing and Swamp Thing.



    Even though swamp creatures anbound in fiction, Sturgeon's "It" and can be traced to all kinds of legends and folklore
    I don't know if it's true but I heard a rumor that Gerry Conway and Len Wein were roommates during this period which might account for why the characters have the exact same origin.

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    - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UOz...youtu.be&t=984

    Pretty decent breakdown above^ link should jump ahead to comparisons.

    Where do people stand on Elric the White Wolf of Melnibone vs Geralt the White Wolf of Rivia?

    They also add:
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    1. Each character has a Best Friend Sidekick- Elric and Geralt each travel their respective worlds with a friend(s). In Elrics case it’s Moonglum. Moonglum is a womanizing alcoholic comedic idiot Rogue. Who love women just as much as his axes. They travel together often or stumble into each other. Elric also has Wheldrake a..:yup you guessed it- comedic Bard sidekick for an adventure or two.
    Geralt has Dandilion Primarily. A womanizing alcoholic comedic idiot Bard who loves his women just as much as poetry. Geralt and him travel often together or yup you guessed it...bump into each other.

    2. Each universe runs on Multiverse Theory system. (Michael Moorock first introduced The Multiverse in his story The Sundered Worlds in 1963. And of course would use it throughout his work.)
    They each have a (and I’m not even kidding here, it’s the exact same name) Conjunction of The Spheres event that kicks off their respective universes. The conjunction is a cataclysmic event in which The Multiverses collide invading each other. Either destroying and resetting the universes or having creatures invade. The conjunction happens every million years or something.
    Now I’m mostly talking about the books here but if you believe the Witcher games are canon (technically yes seeing as how CDPR owns the rights) then the conjunction can happen again. Although in Sapkowski books the conjunction was a one time thing. In Moorcocka work the conjunction is an event that happens every so often.

    3. You’ll notice they are both called The White Wolf....

    4. I also find it odd that Book Geralt is quite thin for being a professional monster killer don’t you? Almost like he still needs potions...he also gets his ass handed to him more than once in the books.

    5. (someone pointed this out in a thread I forgot to throw in also) Destiny, Fate- Law Chaos Balance: Each series has incredibly strong themes of that throughout. I mention it passing by in the video.
    Elric seems to talk about it every chapter or so especially in the later part of the series.

    The Witcher blabs about it from page 1 to the ending of the series in Lady of The Lake.
    They are each (whether they believe it or not) bound by fate and deny or accept it or are reluctant.
    Now I get it- Fate and Destiny is a common thing among the fantasy genre. But again, when your albino mercenary spellsword blabs about it constantly...
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    There was a Doll Man villain who hid his scarred face in an iron mask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptCleghorn View Post
    I'm sure there are many easter Egg lines is this series, but this was my favorite...

    Agreed. I remember another favorite...


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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNewGod View Post
    Simon said they had to change Cap's shield because of the ruckus Pep's publishers kicked up. Ironic how they forced Timely to change a rival's gimmick to something that became iconic.
    Also ironic that Marvel later had Cyclops, who’s similar to Archie’s the Comet:


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    Revisited again in Racer X
    While it was likely more just parallel creative vision, the characters have absolutely nothing in common, but Cyclops and the later Racer X with the similar goggles, cowl, prominent X theme, (the black and yellow car color scheme) always struck me as potentially more than coincidence.
    Either way a great look!



    The times single lens racing goggles still tended to look like - https://i.imgur.com/xnSDFiX.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNewGod View Post
    Superhero comics have borrowed A Lot. Hell, Superman swiped from at least three sources.

    So what are some of the most obvious homages?

    I give you the odd coincidence between Kirby's Destroyer

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    and The Day The Earth Stood Still's Gort.

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    I think Kirby and Stan Lee got a lot from the popular monster movies at the time. THE THING, THE AMAZING COLOSSAL MAN, THE FLY and THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL. If you go back to the original Captain Marvel series (drawn by Gene Colon using Kirby's style, I believe), Mar Vell is essentially a superhero version of Klaatu the alien from The Day The Earth stood still. He's sent to Earth because the FF defeated one of their nigh-invincible Sentry Robots which are essentially their version of GORT. He appears and then takes on an Earthman identity to observe the human race and determine what sort of threat it may pose to the Kree empire.

    In the Amazing Colossal Man, the hero of that story is caught by a blast from a new type of nuclear weapon when he leaves the trench to save the passengers of a plane that accidentally flew into the test area. He grows into a giant monster and becomes angry that the doctors can't cure his condition and goes on a rampage through nearby Las Vegas (which really was close enough to above-ground nuclear test sites that casino hotel guests could watch them from the outdoor bars by the swimming pools). That is a pretty obvious influence on The Hulk.

    Ka-Zar wasn't so much of a rip-off as a resurrection of the 1930's Ka-Zar, David Rand, the child of millionaires who is lost in an archaic jungle in Africa. No dinosaurs in this jungle like when he is republished in Marvel comics in the 60's in the Savage Land. Obviously, he was a rip-off of Tarzan. Naturally, it's easy to see how Danny Rand the Iron Fist's origin was inspired by David Rand, but with the influence of Kung Fu and Shangri-La instead of Tarzan.

    Everyone can point to Hercules, John Carter of Mars, Doc Savage and Philip Wylie's Gladiator as influences on Superman. However, the Superman as we know him was really fleshed out more by the radio show and Mort Weisinger's work on the character in the Silver Age. Doc Savage himself was likely inspired by another Wylie novel called The Savage Gentleman.

    However, I think the connection between the Pulp Heroes, Universal monsters of the 40's and the 50's and 60's B-Movie monsters and Marvel's superheroes could fill a nice documentary.
    The Hulk = Mr Hyde + Frankenstein's Monster + The Amazing Colossal Man
    Spider-Man = The Fly + Teenage Werewolf + Superboy
    Captain Marvel = The Day The Earth Stood Still + This Island Earth + Flash Gordon
    Fantastic Four has a whole lot of B-Movie and Pulp SF influences

    What's interesting about the X-Men is that there was a whole sub-genre of Mutant Science Fiction in the pulp magazines at the time with John W. Campbell the editor of Astounding Science Fiction (later Analog) insisting that Mutants always be portrayed as benevolent while other writers like Philip K Dick wanted to portray mutants as just as dangerous and emotionally deranged as people. PK Dick's Psi-Man, Heal My Child, A World of Talent, The Golden Man as well as Theodore Sturgeon's More Than Human and AE Van Vogt's Slan must've influenced the X-Men.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Small Talent For War View Post

    Ka-Zar wasn't so much of a rip-off as a resurrection of the 1930's Ka-Zar, David Rand, the child of millionaires who is lost in an archaic jungle in Africa. No dinosaurs in this jungle like when he is republished in Marvel comics in the 60's in the Savage Land. Obviously, he was a rip-off of Tarzan. Naturally, it's easy to see how Danny Rand the Iron Fist's origin was inspired by David Rand, but with the influence of Kung Fu and Shangri-La instead of Tarzan.
    Some credit should probably go to H. Rider Haggard who wrote KING SOLOMON'S MINES and SHE in the 1880s.

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