Uncanny x-men 22 preview finale

[Glio]

What was the message of this run again?

There's nothing inherently wrong with mutant powers. They're always good. Let's just sweep the possible cancer and bleeding to death under the rug in order to avoid having a nuanced discussion.

Democracy is an inefficient way to run an organization. It just leads to stupid runs.

Suicide is a good solution.

Doesn't matter if you fought an evil goddess on an island of zombies. Normal humans can do anything they put their mind to, including avoiding getting eaten.

Rosenberg shouldn't touch X-Men ever again.

The messages of this era are:
-Teen suicide is a valid way to avoid suffering
-The vaccines are bad
-Voting things leads to bad decisions
-In times of extreme oppression it is better to do nothing because an oracle tells you
-Whatever about Rahne.
-You can write all the clichés of the world and kill dozens of PoC if in the last number you lampshades this.

[Omega Alpha]

The messages of this era are:
-Teen suicide is a valid way to avoid suffering
-The vaccines are bad
-Voting things leads to bad decisions
-In times of extreme oppression it is better to do nothing because an oracle tells you
-Whatever about Rahne.
-You can write all the clichés of the world and kill dozens of PoC if in the last number you lampshades this.

While none of this, except for the last part, is intentional by Rosenberg, I have to question not only what kind of mind produces something like that, and, for the 10000th time, ask what the hell do Marvel editors actually do.

Hard to tell what they wanted.
But Scott Summers indeed looks like a martyr. It's even worse without an eye.

No, we do know what they wanted. JDW told us that much on these boards. That Annual with Wifi was about how Cyclops was WROOOOOOOOOONG, and the fact Cyclops was wrong was going to come up again (although after essentially everyone, even the people that prefer boyscout Cyke, told JDW how they hate the idea and they should just move on, he said it wouldn't).

[FluffyCyclopsRLZ]

The messages of this era are:
-Teen suicide is a valid way to avoid suffering
-The vaccines are bad
-Voting things leads to bad decisions
-In times of extreme oppression it is better to do nothing because an oracle tells you
-Whatever about Rahne.
-You can write all the clichés of the world and kill dozens of PoC if in the last number you lampshades this.

Also:

- You can totally get away with murdering politicians. No pushback, no rise in hate crimes. No consequences whatsoever.
- If you want to steal someone's job by guilt-tripping them into stepping down, make sure there's no one around to put forward some dumbass committee idea or whatever.
- Skipping funerals because your manpain must be dealt with RIGHT NOW makes you cool and awesome.
- If things get dark enough, the erasure of a minority's plight and existence is an acceptable solution.

As a bonus throwback to that mini half the current UXM readership didn't buy:

- Hang out in Jersey and you WILL lose about twenty-five levels worth of experience.
- Dicking around the map chasing kills instead of focusing on protecting civilians makes you cool and awesome.

[Omega Alpha]

Also:

- You can totally get away with murdering politicians. No pushback, no rise in hate crimes. No consequences whatsoever.
- If you want to steal someone's job by guilt-tripping them into stepping down, make sure there's no one around to put forward some dumbass committee idea or whatever.
- Skipping funerals because your manpain must be dealt with RIGHT NOW makes you cool and awesome.
- If things get dark enough, the erasure of a minority's plight and existence is an acceptable solution.

As a bonus throwback to that mini half the current UXM readership didn't buy:

- Hang out in Jersey and you WILL lose about twenty-five levels worth of experience.
- Dicking around the map chasing kills instead of focusing on protecting civilians makes you cool and awesome.

Don't forget:

- If you shoot your grandfather in the eye, the best thing you can do is show no remorse and people will love you for that. If he's complaining, it's because he's a whiny bitch.
- If you lead your people to having their own nation (in Canada!), and after you die, they lose it, do nothing to regain it, and then (seemingly) die, it's YOUR FAULT your people are in a terrible state.
-The X-men's existence is a bad idea.

[FluffyCyclopsRLZ]

Don't forget:

- If you shoot your grandfather in the eye, the best thing you can do is show no remorse and people will love you for that. If he's complaining, it's because he's a whiny bitch.
- If you lead your people to having their own nation (in Canada!), and after you die, they lose it, do nothing to regain it, and then (seemingly) die, it's YOUR FAULT your people are in a terrible state.
-The X-men's existence is a bad idea.

Oh noes! I totally forgot about these too:

- People will give a crap about randomly comatose/possibly dying children for, like, five minutes. Tops.
- Meleeing a Sentinel-sized robot is a super bad idea if you're a ranged glass canon. That's gotta be the run's only sensical/sensible lesson, right?

Darnedest thing is, I brought these up in last week's thread, lol.

[Zelena]

The messages of this era are:
…
-Teen suicide is a valid way to avoid suffering
-Voting things leads to bad decisions
…

Ruth was a precog, what was logical for her isn't for us. We can empathize with the mutants, we are not one of them. We can think we have no future. Ruth knew it.
As for voting, even it doesn't always lead to bad decisions, history has proved that, sometimes, it is the case.
I think you read too much in what is just entertainment. Maybe it's the realistic design… It makes it sound so serious. (That and all the deaths too, of course)

[Anduinel]

Ruth was a precog, what was logical for her isn't for us. We can empathize with the mutants, we are not one of them. We can think we have no future. Ruth knew it.

Except by the nature of the franchise, the audience knows that's not true. Folks do get what Rosenberg was going for - if even the girl that can see the future thinks it's all in for mutants, then the situation must be truly dire. But the meta undermines that seriousness as much as the pacing and characterization issues of this run undermine the gravitas that should have come with the deaths of so many X-Men.

[Glio]

Ruth was a precog, what was logical for her isn't for us. We can empathize with the mutants, we are not one of them. We can think we have no future. Ruth knew it.
As for voting, even it doesn't always lead to bad decisions, history has proved that, sometimes, it is the case.
I think you read too much in what is just entertainment. Maybe it's the realistic design… It makes it sound so serious. (That and all the deaths too, of course)

Most people who commit suicide also believe that their suffering is inevitable. Doing it with a precog to justify it is simply being completely ignorant of the implications of what you are writing. It's just a terrible message to get grimdark.

Like... all in this run.

[Woozie]

I ain't the one for comic book forums of all places to argue validity of suicide.

Y'all should probably get off that topic.

[Omega Alpha]

I ain't the one for comic book forums of all places to argue validity of suicide.

Y'all should probably get off that topic.

No one is saying that suicide is justified, just that Rosenberg's writing accidentally ends up as an endorsement, because he chose literally the worst character to have killed as an anti-suicide message.

[Woozie]

You read that statement entirely wrong. I'm saying y'all shouldn't be discussing it in any capacity, especially with the context of inpretation of what he might or might not be saying

Whether you believe it's valid or not.

[Anduinel]

You read that statement entirely wrong. I'm saying y'all shouldn't be discussing it in any capacity, especially with the context of inpretation of what he might or might not be saying

Whether you believe it's valid or not.

This is a forum for discussing X-Men comics. The writer had a character commit suicide in an X-Men comic, and people are going to discuss all aspects of that, including execution and implication. If you have a serious problem with that, you might want to bow out of the UXM threads.

[CoCoBandz]

I'm now convinced that Rosenberg just hates the X-Men.

[Blackphoenix]

I think we're going with "Emma erased all psychic defenses, books, computers, and every other possible medium for mutants because DARKNESS NO PARENTS!"

Apparently the X-Men are gonna go from city to city and burn all print media related to mutants...

Man, what a joke. I can't wait for Rosenberg's run to be retconned out of existence.

[Zelena]

Most people who commit suicide also believe that their suffering is inevitable. Doing it with a precog to justify it is simply being completely ignorant of the implications of what you are writing. It's just a terrible message to get grimdark.

Like... all in this run.

You read it this way. I don't. It is not a message for readers that suicide could be a solution. Ruth knew she was going to die. She chose her death.
It has more to do with euthanasia than suicide. Showing that precogs are prisoners of their vision is not new: Destiny knew she was going to die and she didn't do anything to change the tide of her fate. It was just told in a less gory way.
But i agree all of this is rather dark and depressing.