Page 1 of 5 12345 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 62
  1. #1
    Incredible Member tbaron's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2018
    Posts
    605

    Default Does bad art work kill a good story?

    Does bad art work kill a good story for you? For me it does. I head about Captain America Truth and loved the idea of the story. Yet when I read the book I could hardly make my way through it because in my view the art work was just so bad. It really took it away from me. I did finish it and enjoyed the story but I wont be reading it again.

    What bad art work has killed a story for you?
    Favorite teams. Avengers, West Coast Avengers, Justice Society of America, Legion of Superheroes.

  2. #2
    Fantastic Member RickWJ324's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2019
    Location
    Richmond, VA
    Posts
    253

    Default

    I tend to ignore bad art if its a story I really want to read. As much as I hate Rob Liefeld's or John Romita Jr's artwork, I can look past it if the story I'm reading is engaging. Still, I'd much rather have decent artwork to go along with a good story. The same can be said for the opposite point-of-view. For example: Jim Lee's artwork is beautiful to me, but even that couldn't make me read Frank Miller's All-star Batman beyond the first couple of issues! That title was probably the first Bat title I ever unsubscribed to in my decades of collecting. I just couldn't take reading another page of it.

    Now the third option of "bad art AND bad story" is inexcusable. I'll lump the "Superman Year One" book into that category. I don't like the artwork at all, and from what I've read about the story so far it falls into the category of "Frank Miller should not be writing superhero books anymore". I'm skipping that title entirely.
    Last edited by RickWJ324; 07-12-2019 at 09:39 AM.

  3. #3
    Incredible Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2018
    Posts
    614

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by tbaron View Post
    Does bad art work kill a good story for you? For me it does. I head about Captain America Truth and loved the idea of the story. Yet when I read the book I could hardly make my way through it because in my view the art work was just so bad. It really took it away from me. I did finish it and enjoyed the story but I wont be reading it again.

    What bad art work has killed a story for you?
    Wow! Kyle Baker, a bad artist?!!! He's one of the best visual artist at work (Why I hate Saturn), the laureate of numerous Eisner awards!
    My take is no, a bad artist doesn't kill a good story, and I had some troubles reading some parts of Invisibles! But a bad story, for me, is worst.

  4. #4
    Astonishing Member
    Join Date
    May 2017
    Posts
    3,482

    Default

    Yes. It’s a visual medium. Alan Moore couldn’t salvage a story with shitty art

  5. #5
    Astonishing Member Kusanagi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    2,742

    Default

    I have a comparatively high tolerance for bad art, it can certainly detract from a story but the only time it ever killed it for me was when Larry Stroman did X-Factor in the late 2000s. The one time I dropped a book solely for art reasons.
    Last edited by Kusanagi; 07-12-2019 at 10:15 AM.
    Current Pull: Amazing Spider-Man and Domino

    Bunn for Deadpool's Main Book!

  6. #6
    Incredible Member Javasaurus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Location
    Houston, Texas
    Posts
    889

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Kusanagi View Post
    I have a comparatively high tolerance for bad art, it can certainly detract from a story but the only time it ever killed it for me was when Larry Stroman did X-Factor. The one time I dropped a book solely for art reasons.
    My tolerance for bad art sounds similar. When I look back at titles that I've dropped, the overwhelming majority were on the basis of the writing just not holding up.
    Pull List: The Black Hammer, Bitch Planet, Copperhead, Hellboy/BPRD, Monstress, Ms. Marvel, Southern Cross

    Twitter: @JavasaurusRex

  7. #7
    Astonishing Member kjn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2018
    Posts
    3,122

    Default

    Cary Nord's art on Wonder Woman suffered not from bad art per se (from some respects it was excellent), but it managed to put the least effort into the main character and to consistently portray the opposite emotional effect that was required by the story. I think it really managed to hurt the initial reception of G Willow Wilson's run.
    «Speaking generally, it is because of the desire of the tragic poets for the marvellous that so varied and inconsistent an account of Medea has been given out» (Diodorus Siculus, The Library of History [4.56.1])

  8. #8
    Astonishing Member Phoenixx9's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2016
    Posts
    4,886

    Default

    Yes, most definitely!

  9. #9
    Extraordinary Member Kirby101's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    9,351

    Default

    Definitely, I have dropped books because the art changed, and i won't pick up a new title if i don't like the art. I have seen good stories ruined when a bad or inappropriate artist takes over.
    I remember the Snyder Swamp Thing with amazing art by Yanick Paquette. The final issue(s) he was replaced by someone who just didn't work.

    I also did not like Mark Hempel on The Kindly Ones in Sandman. Hempel is a good cartoon artist, but his style was so off for me on Sandman that I could not enjoy that very important story.

    I don't have time to read comics with bad art.
    There came a time when the Old Gods died! The Brave died with the Cunning! The Noble perished locked in battle with unleashed Evil! It was the last day for them! An ancient era was passing in fiery holocaust!

  10. #10
    Old school comic book fan WestPhillyPunisher's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    Philadelphia, PA
    Posts
    19,091

    Default

    Other than Rob Liefeld (WAY too easy a target for haters), my tolerance for bad art is also rather high, though with two particular exceptions: Bill Sienkiewicz who makes EVERYBODY look rail thin and seven feet tall, and Keith Giffen who, in latter years has been aping Jack Kirby, something I dislike.
    Last edited by WestPhillyPunisher; 07-12-2019 at 11:26 AM.
    Avatar: Here's to the late, great Steve Dillon. Best. Punisher. Artist. EVER!

  11. #11
    Mighty Member K7P5V's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Location
    Chicago, Illinois
    Posts
    1,619

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    Yes. It’s a visual medium. Alan Moore couldn’t salvage a story with shitty art
    In all honesty, if it hasn't been attempted yet, I would love to see Alan Moore try this.

  12. #12
    Cadaver Sniffing Dog Personamanx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Location
    Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts
    1,895

    Default

    As others have said, comics are a visual medium. If the art is unable to convey the narrative it was created to do than the comic is essentially dead on arrival. It may have very well been trying to convey an intriguing story, but who besides the scripter or editor would even know?
    Continuity, even in a "shared" comics universe is often insignificant if not largely detrimental to the quality of a comic.

    Die - Excalibur - New Mutants - Once & Future - Runaways - RWBY - X-Men

    Nobody cares about what you don't like, they barely care about what you do like.

  13. #13
    Latverian ambassador Iron Maiden's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Location
    Latverian Embassy
    Posts
    13,381

    Default

    Yes, it can. There was a few key issues in Hickman's spin off title called FF that had to do with the final plan to hold off the Mad Celestials. Luckily, Hickman's story was well worth plowing through the awful art. But it could have been a much better


  14. #14
    Surfing With The Alien Spike-X's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    4,422

    Default

    I guess it depends what you mean by 'bad' art. There's art that I find unappealing to look at, but I'll put up with it because the story is so great, and it's still being told.

    Then there's art where the storytelling is so bad/nonexistent, that I honestly can't follow what's happening on the page. That's when bad art ruins the story for me.
    Last edited by Spike-X; 07-13-2019 at 06:08 PM.

  15. #15
    Extraordinary Member Kirby101's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    9,351

    Default

    I hate to say "bad art". Yes there is some art out there I find bad, it is just unprofessional. But often it is an artist whose style I just don't like, or find inappropriate for the comic they are drawing.
    There came a time when the Old Gods died! The Brave died with the Cunning! The Noble perished locked in battle with unleashed Evil! It was the last day for them! An ancient era was passing in fiery holocaust!

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •