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    The idea that James Bond is a codename given to different people is a fan theory used to explain the different Bond actors in the movies. But it was contradicted by the movies going back to the Roger Moore days, as Bond's marriage in On Her Majesty's Secret Service was brought up several times in the Moore movies, including Moore visiting his ex-wife's grave. He was always supposed to be the same man whether he was played by Connery, Lazenby, or Moore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Star_Jammer View Post
    I mean, are we discussing possibility, or likelihood?
    I would say "likelihood" since anything is "possible."

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    Quote Originally Posted by 80sbaby View Post
    I would say "likelihood" since anything is "possible."
    Exactly my point!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunofdarkchild View Post
    The idea that James Bond is a codename given to different people is a fan theory used to explain the different Bond actors in the movies. But it was contradicted by the movies going back to the Roger Moore days, as Bond's marriage in On Her Majesty's Secret Service was brought up several times in the Moore movies, including Moore visiting his ex-wife's grave. He was always supposed to be the same man whether he was played by Connery, Lazenby, or Moore.
    His marriage is also brought up in one of the Dalton films, and alluded to in a couple of the Brosnan films. And every time, he's shown to react emotionally on some level to it, very much like if he was the same guy in all of them.

    The "Bond is a codename" thing is just some fans taking something simple and overcomplicating it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Star_Jammer View Post
    Exactly my point!
    I know and my point is arguing about "posibilities" is pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    Wrong again. Bond in both the books and the films has a backstory. Bond is the son of Andrew (a Scott) and Monique (French Woman) Bond. He grew up in their manor until they died in a climbing accident. Later went to Eton College etc. He has the exact same professional and personal dynamic with M, Q, Moneypenny and Felix Leiter.

    It’s not a codename. It’s actually explicit that it isn’t.
    One slight correction-Q really isn't a character in the Fleming books that much. When the movies started shifting more to gadgets the role was expanded and became a recurring bit. Although later post-Fleming books follow the movie's example (The post-Fleming books, with a few exceptions such as the excellent Colonel Sun, are a mixed bag)

    Moneypenny has a smaller role too, with Mary Goodnight mainly taking her place.
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    Also the codename theory doesn't really explain Moneypenny, Q (Spy Who Loved Me confirmed that he's the same character played by a different actor in Dr.No) and Felix. Kind of works for M though.


    Although you do have weird stuff like Moneypenny shifting from nearly 60 in View to A Kill to late 20s/early 30s in Living Daylights while Q and M are the same as the previous film.

    There's also some slight confusion over M as they kept Judi around; she's technically playing two different Ms. One with Bond as an established agent (One she considers outdated to boot!), another where she promotes him in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisIII View Post
    Also the codename theory doesn't really explain Moneypenny, Q (Spy Who Loved Me confirmed that he's the same character played by a different actor in Dr.No) and Felix. Kind of works for M though.


    Although you do have weird stuff like Moneypenny shifting from nearly 60 in View to A Kill to late 20s/early 30s in Living Daylights while Q and M are the same as the previous film.

    There's also some slight confusion over M as they kept Judi around; she's technically playing two different Ms. One with Bond as an established agent (One she considers outdated to boot!), another where she promotes him in the first place.
    Well, these are the few continuity errors of the James Bond chronology, not bad for 50 years of existence, FOX with the X-Men made much more mistakes in only 20 years.
    Well, since Casino Royale was a reboot, does it mean Tracy is alive in the current continuity?

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    John McClane is just a code name shared by a series of cops that resemble Bruce Willis, each of which is balder and less enthusiastic than the last. There’s even bits of winking dialogue that bring the audience in on the joke - “how can the same shit happen to the same guy twice?” How indeed?

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    I think Madeline may sort of be the "new" Tracy, especially if she gets killed off. Interestingly she's also the daughter of a criminal.

    Blofeld also changed his face, but it actually makes sense; he does it in the novels as well, and both OHMSS and DIAMONDS give explanations for his changes to a degree-OHMSS with the earlobes, and Die Another Day has people undergoing plastic surgery to become Blofeld's body doubles, so it makes sense that Blofeld perhaps used the procedure on himself to alter his appearence (Or maybe the "real" Blofeld in Diamonds Are Forever was yet another double-The Blofeld in For Your Eyes Only has the OHMSS injuries). The intro sequence showing the heads is often interpreted by fans to imply this, although in the context of the film it seems more about how they make the doubles.

    This was also originally the way they were going to explain how Connery became Lazenby, but they dropped it. Also if the films unfurled the same way, it'd be hard to explain how he un-did his plastic surgery to become Connery again (unless that face reminded him of his wife). Also the opening scene of Goldeneye takes place in 1986, so Brosnan would've turned into Dalton and then back to Brosnan again (I'm wondering if, in part, this was a sort of intended to "erase" the Dalton era somehow; I remember in the 90s, the films were generally not held in high regard, but much like OHMSS they've been re-examined by fans and critics and have gotten a new appreciation).
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    and Die Another Day has people undergoing plastic surgery to become Blofeld's body doubles
    You mean Diamonds are Forever. It's easy to get the crappy Bonds confused!

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    Kind of funny because both involve plastic surgery, diamonds, and space lasers.
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    They do have a fair bit in common, though Die Another Day has a cool sword-fight, which is one cool sequence more than DAF, imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by titanfan View Post
    Yup, She'll be sideline or a villain.

    Remember when there was talk of a Jinx spin-off? If Die Another Day had performed, it would have happened.
    Die another Day did perform. Adjusted for inflation it outgrossed all the Craig films except Skyfall. The Jinx spin-off didn't happen because of creative differences or maybe they just didn't want competition for Bond in his own universe.
    But yeah I doubt this will lead to any type of lasting change to the franchise.

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    Funny thing is both Goldeneye and Die Another Day are both inspired by the novel version of Moonraker (The MR movie took the name of the villain and that's about it). Die Another Day's Miranda Frost was originally named Gala Brand, even.

    I'm kind of curious if Bond 25 will have any novel nods. SPECTRE's plot borrowed a lot from the original Octopussy short story, for instance, and even had a few nods to Colonel Sun. Seeing as Bond is in Jamacia, it'd be interesting if we'll see Craigverse versions of the Dr.No characters in some way.
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