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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Alpha View Post
    And again, it's absolutely illogical the insistence for Scott to be WRONG AND EVIL they had in the last 7 years to the point of killing off-panel with his best friends describing him as the new Hitler. It's impossible not to see an ulterior motive there.
    I still don't get why we had that 180 shift after Schism. The way Logan, Ororo, Bobby, Kitty and Beast complained about Scott every issue doesn't even make sense.
    Kind of hoping to see Madame Frost, Ambassador of Krakoa, humiliating Mr. President of Brazil during a UN meeting

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    Quote Originally Posted by ermac View Post
    I still don't get why we had that 180 shift after Schism. The way Logan, Ororo, Bobby, Kitty and Beast complained about Scott every issue doesn't even make sense.
    It does if you get the impression that editorial wanted to turn Cyclops into this tragic villain/ New Age Magneto. The problem was that did too good of a job making Cyclop's position sympathetic a lot of his actions were justifiable in the post M-day world so when they tried to force the heel-turn in AvX it just came off as a "WTF" moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCape View Post
    We are still with this?, the kiss was fine and completly in characther for Scott and Jean to do, they even had some build toward it (not a lot admittedly, but it was there) before this run. True including Emma and Logan there feel a bit on the nose, but is basically Marvel's way of saying "yeah, Jott is happening, the love Rectangle is death......for now", i do feel bad for Rosenberg's take on Emma (and to lesser extent everyone else) but she is still have a solid creative direction (Duggan is solid usually) coming out this disaster, so is not really important for me.
    People might be mad because of ships, but Scemma ended 7 years ago and there was never a hint they would be together again. people build this expectative on theirselves and got mad.

    Emma got a pretty good deal out of this, she funds a team and she probably will have a big role on Hickman run. There is nothing to complain

    Quote Originally Posted by TheCape View Post
    He apologized and she forgived him, look for a different crack in the armor if you want to criticize this move.
    It is too anti-climatic. Oh Scott say he was sorry and Jean just accepted him without any conflicts. That was too easy

    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Alpha View Post
    No, it's Scott in the 21st century was wrong because it does everything to say that Scott and Emma's relationship was wrong and stupid and should never have happened.
    Yeah, he was wrong for all these
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    Quote Originally Posted by loke13 View Post
    It does if you get the impression that editorial wanted to turn Cyclops into this tragic villain/ New Age Magneto. The problem was that did too good of a job making Cyclop's position sympathetic a lot of his actions were justifiable in the post M-day world so when they tried to force the heel-turn in AvX it just came off as a "WTF" moment.
    We get this, and Marvel realized a long time ago that most fans sided with Cyclops in Schism and AvX. The problem is this absolutely ridiculous insistence 7 years later, which is unprecedented, at the same time characters that did much worse things don't need a "redemption arc".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Alpha View Post
    We get this, and Marvel realized a long time ago that most fans sided with Cyclops in Schism and AvX. The problem is this absolutely ridiculous insistence 7 years later, which is unprecedented, at the same time characters that did much worse things don't need a "redemption arc".
    Oh yeah the end of Secret Wars should have been the perfect time to leave the whole Cyclops is Hitler schtick behind but instead they doubled down on it and killed him. The Cyclops in HoX was the best version of the character we've gotten in years.

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