Superman: Red Son and Superman: Man of Tomorrow Animated Feature Films

[manwhohaseverything]

This isn’t a retcon because it was never canon. The old DBZ Ocean Dub was the one to purport the idea that Bardock was a scientist(like Jor-El). This has never been said in the original Japanese language version of the series in either anime or manga form. This was false information from a dub that wasn’t very faithful to the Japanese scripts.

There isn't anything that says it's not true either now. So, it's up in the air what bardock did. Minus is basically way more supermanish an origin story. The guy isn't an idiot like goku is that's for sure.

[Amadeus Arkham]

There isn't anything that says it's not true either now. So, it's up in the air what bardock did. Minus is basically way more supermanish an origin story. The guy isn't an idiot like goku is that's for sure.

Bardock was shown to be a low-class warrior from Planet Vegeta. How could he possibly be a scientist?

[DochaDocha]

Someone posts a video about Superman, and the commentary is about Goku and Dragonball. Am I on YouTube?

[manwhohaseverything]

Bardock was shown to be a low-class warrior from Planet Vegeta. How could he possibly be a scientist?

That's a classification only based on fighting prowess and politics(clearly you can't be stronger than the king or prince) . Who knows? Anything can happen. I mean, broly is canon now.As far as bardock is concerned two things are set in stone.
1)he was goku's father
2)he rebelled against freeza
Chances of it are slim, acknowledged .

Someone posts a video about Superman, and the commentary is about Goku and Dragonball. Am I on YouTube?

Yeah! I took the discussion on a tangent. Saiyans are much relatable than kryptonians,i believe. The slave conqueror aspect is very interesting. Anyways, i do believe superman being kryptonIan royalty is pushing it. His dad being a scientist or a flash gordon figure is one thing. But, him being some kind of elite bureaucrat is bad. They already have batman and green arrow for that kind of thing. Moses was the son of slaves. Ofcourse, tarzan's parents were elites. But still, they did die with nothing and their wealth meaningless. Zorro fought for the little guy. There isn't a reason for supes to be some elite. Atleast, goku is kept the working class-manish figure.

[Frontier]

Movie is set for an August 23rd release.

[Vordan]

Movie is set for an August 23rd release.

That’s the day after the Fandome experience isn’t it? Good way to hopefully benefit from all the exposure DC will be getting.

[scilover]

I’m excited to see superman red son! I just recently watched it and I really enjoyed it. I just like the idea of superman and the other DC characters being in Russia.

[Superlad93]

Pretty disheartened that next to no one is talking about the buttery smooth animation this movie seems to have at a baseline. That moment where Superman goes to heat vision Parasite looks nearly rotoscoped it's so smooth. Just take a look at how many frames of animation and "moving parts" are in Lobo laughing and then reacting to being grabbed by Martian Manhunter. Or even the surprisingly fluid animation present with the guy going "look! Up in the sky"

This is a pretty high quality production, and I hope indicative of what to expect from these movies going forward.

[Vordan]

Pretty disheartened that next to no one is talking about the buttery smooth animation this movie seems to have at a baseline. That moment where Superman goes to heat vision Parasite looks nearly rotoscoped it's so smooth. Just take a look at how many frames of animation and "moving parts" are in Lobo laughing and then reacting to being grabbed by Martian Manhunter. Or even the surprisingly fluid animation present with the guy going "look! Up in the sky"

This is a pretty high quality production, and I hope indicative of what to expect from these movies going forward.

It did look less stiff than the previous movies, but I don’t know if that’s actually a result of a budget increase or not.

[manwhohaseverything]

the artstyle and some character designs aren't for me. so, i didn't much pay attention to animation.

[Superlad93]

The idea of "budget" is one of the great misunderstandings of animated entertainment. An increase in money doesn't equal smoother or better animation in any instance. The defining factors are time, limitations or flexibility of the character designs, whomever is contracted out to direct, and what teams are animating.

As far as I'm aware the director for some very well directed episodes of Dream Works' Voltron Legendary Defenders show is directing the project, and the character designs seem to have been made with greater fluidity and allowances to go "off model" in mind.

This more relaxed character design has been made famous by the newest Pokemon seasons coming out now doing a full overhaul and simplification of the designs. And the quality of the episodes speak for themselves.

Another famous example is the newest Dragon Ball movie with Broly finally doing away with the largely stiff character model sheets.

So, if you look back at the overly muscle bound action figure looking New 52 inspired movies you'll likely find the reason for the stiffer animation.

The quality I mean is the level of thought here.

[Vakanai]

The idea of "budget" is one of the great misunderstandings of animated entertainment. An increase in money doesn't equal smoother or better animation in any instance. The defining factors are time, limitations or flexibility of the character designs, whomever is contracted out to direct, and what teams are animating.

As far as I'm aware the director for some very well directed episodes of Dream Works' Voltron Legendary Defenders show is directing the project, and the character designs seem to have been made with greater fluidity and allowances to go "off model" in mind.

This more relaxed character design has been made famous by the newest Pokemon seasons coming out now doing a full overhaul and simplification of the designs. And the quality of the episodes speak for themselves.

Another famous example is the newest Dragon Ball movie with Broly finally doing away with the largely stiff character model sheets.

So, if you look back at the overly muscle bound action figure looking New 52 inspired movies you'll likely find the reason for the stiffer animation.

The quality I mean is the level of thought here.

Yeah - but the character designs in Pokemon don't look as good. Animation is important, but the designs still need to look great too.

[Frontier]

Pretty disheartened that next to no one is talking about the buttery smooth animation this movie seems to have at a baseline. That moment where Superman goes to heat vision Parasite looks nearly rotoscoped it's so smooth. Just take a look at how many frames of animation and "moving parts" are in Lobo laughing and then reacting to being grabbed by Martian Manhunter. Or even the surprisingly fluid animation present with the guy going "look! Up in the sky"

This is a pretty high quality production, and I hope indicative of what to expect from these movies going forward.

To be honest, I was more distracted by the characters looking out-of-sync with the backgrounds.

The idea of "budget" is one of the great misunderstandings of animated entertainment. An increase in money doesn't equal smoother or better animation in any instance. The defining factors are time, limitations or flexibility of the character designs, whomever is contracted out to direct, and what teams are animating.

As far as I'm aware the director for some very well directed episodes of Dream Works' Voltron Legendary Defenders show is directing the project, and the character designs seem to have been made with greater fluidity and allowances to go "off model" in mind.

This more relaxed character design has been made famous by the newest Pokemon seasons coming out now doing a full overhaul and simplification of the designs. And the quality of the episodes speak for themselves.

Another famous example is the newest Dragon Ball movie with Broly finally doing away with the largely stiff character model sheets.

So, if you look back at the overly muscle bound action figure looking New 52 inspired movies you'll likely find the reason for the stiffer animation.

The quality I mean is the level of thought here.

I think the studio they outsource the animation to is also a huge factor, especially when you compare works with the same character design. Reign of the Supermen looked and moved entirely different then Hush did and they had the same character designs.

[Ascended]

I think the studio they outsource the animation to is also a huge factor, especially when you compare works with the same character design. Reign of the Supermen looked and moved entirely different then Hush did and they had the same character designs.

I think that's part of what Superlad was getting at; it's not just a matter of money, but a matter of the artists' talent and style. That doesn't really impact the overall cost too much, the best animator in the business and the new guy fresh outta school are all in the same tax bracket, yknow? Quality isn't necessarily tied to cost; an artist can't get better just because you pay them more.

Or so I assume, I don't know much at all about the cartoon industry.

[Vordan]

One thing I’m definitely appreciative of is the brighter color palate. Supes’ world should definitely be on the more colorful side and this movie looks more reflective of that.