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[Omega Alpha]

3) Polyamory will cease to be interesting once the novelty has worn off and it's become the new normal.

It wouldn't really be polyamory, exactly, since, in theory, Scott/Jean/Emma/Logan (and others) wouldn't really be together, it would just be separate couples. One couple might get exhausted, but other pairings involving one of the characters might not.

Marvel likes trying to get people to think they're progressive, while actually acting very regressive wherever they think they can get away with it.

Exactly.

For example, one thing I often complaint is the retcons to Emma's origins, for example (we got at it often in her Appreciaton Thread)- she, under Claremont (in the 80's), and Morrison (early 00's, there being a middle aged man already) established Emma as someone that was Shaw's not only equal, but better, who made him think she loved him, but screwed him over, and really didn't care about anyone but her students and a handful of people (which is why she falling in love with Scott shocked her, because she didn't even think that was possible but in romance stories).

Then Fraction comes and establishes her as Shaw's stripper turned abused girlfriend caught in the dick measuring contest between alpha male one (SS) and alpha male two (Namor), and who also falls for Namor after knowing her, for, what, one week, and is willing to abandon everything she built to be with him, only for her mind to be erased by Selene (the fact that Namor does not ask help for his friend Xavier of the Illuminati is left unexplained, of course, or why Sage didn't inform Chuck herself). He's basically regressed her origin from shrewd businesswoman to stripper with a heart of gold victim of an evil alpha male who could only be saved by another, yet he almost certainly fancies himself as a progressive, as well as the editors that approved that story.

Later on, other "progressive" writers and editors continued on the abused girlfriend story rather than just retcon it (easy enough, with her being a telepath with a long story of deceiving people).

The difference, being of course, Claremont and Morrison are truly progressive writers, the others...not so much.

The man that came in and got rid of all the non-white people on the Giant Size team almost as soon as he joined except Storm and only added 2 additions across his 17 year run? (Oh and I guess Psylocke...lol) He did much better with the New Mutants, but not so much with the main book

Thunderbird was killed and Sunfire left in a plot by Len Wein (Claremont just did the script).

[Tycon]

I’m not resistant to radical change, I just know when it’ll work and won’t. And know nothing ever stays.

If nothing ever stays, then how do you explain what we have now? Everything has to have started somewhere, we don’t just start out in an already formed society.

[FUBAR007]

that is good, right?

That depends on one's point of view.

Some feminists think "all women are bisexual" is a deeply sexist idea driven by pornographic male fantasies. Others think it demonstrates how women are better and more open in the sexual realm and that it boldly challenges the oppressive heteronormativity of the male patriarchy (e.g. political lesbianism).

I have no idea how the notion is regarded in the LGBT community.

Personally, I always just interpreted it as one of Claremont's fetishes (see also: mind control as a metaphor for BDSM).

[KangMiRae]

That depends on one's point of view.

Some feminists think "all women are bisexual" is a deeply sexist idea driven by pornographic male fantasies. Others think it demonstrates how women are better and more open in the sexual realm and that it boldly challenges the oppressive heteronormativity of the male patriarchy (e.g. political lesbianism).

I have no idea how the notion is regarded in the LGBT community.

Personally, I always just interpreted it as one of Claremont's fetishes (see also: mind control as a metaphor for BDSM).

There’re so many projected fetishes in the comicbook industry so it’s probably just his fetish.

[Omega Alpha]

Personally, I always just interpreted it as one of Claremont's fetishes (see also: mind control as a metaphor for BDSM).

That was it, clearly. There's no logical reason why every teenage female mutant would be bi.

BTW, another thing that adds creepiness into it is that the older characters of the team, except maybe Storm, weren't written that way. Betsy, Jean, Dazzler, Rogue, Maddie, Moira, were all firmly straight. It was just the teenage girls, most of them minors. Lke I argued in other threads, it's really best ignored for the most part (not that you can't make any of the other teenagers apart from Karma lesbian or bi, of course, but if you'll have ALL of them, like some fans want, it just adds a level of creepiness to the whole thing).

[spirit2011]

being 70s/80s shouldnt matter. If you are going to reference the Claremont era, then that obviously goes without saying. I didnt assume you were talking about his 00 run

It was much harder do diversity on 70s80s. Claremont 00s run was th elast time Bishop was treated with respect and Ororo was well written

[Tycon]

It was much harder do diversity on 70s80s. Claremont 00s run was th elast time Bishop was treated with respect and Ororo was well written

[spirit2011]

ok, last time before vita ayala

Morrison a progressive? LOL

[Omega Alpha]

Morrison a progressive? LOL

Normally, I'll just ignore you, but I'd LOOOOOOVE to hear your argument there.

[Havok83]

It was much harder do diversity on 70s80s. Claremont 00s run was th elast time Bishop was treated with respect and Ororo was well written

that was his own creative choice. Their werent editorial mandates telling him to make his X-men predominantly white. He had alot of freedom and chose the cast that served his purposes. Im not knocking it but he gets alot of credit for his diverse X-men (primarily bc of Giant-Size X-men which he didnt write) when that really wasnt the case for his run

[spirit2011]

Normally, I'll just ignore you, but I'd LOOOOOOVE to hear your argument there.

Never saw so much progressiveness from him, specially on x-men. He used gay as a stereotype for Hank, also zero POCs

[Ambaryerno]

that is good, right?

Even if it's just fetishistic?

[Omega Alpha]

Never saw so much progressiveness from him, specially on x-men. He used gay as a stereotype for Hank, also zero POCs

Deeeeep, man.

[spirit2011]

Deeeeep, man.

what you expect, I won't do a essay

[Harpsikord]

Never saw so much progressiveness from him, specially on x-men.

His portrayals of Jean Grey and Emma Frost almost certainly helped throw female superheroes to even bigger prominence. He created one of the most prominent Muslim superheroes. Had an interracial couple when that was still somehow "taboo." Need I go on?

He used gay as a stereotype for Hank,

Yes. Which Hank also got called out for. It wasn't played for laughs.

also zero POCs

Bishop, Angel Salvadore, Storm, Neal Shaara, Sabra, Feral, Dust, Monet and according to certain canon interpretations, Xorn. And two of them were regular cast members, one of them on the team, and the big bad.