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    Thing is though, as Thor, she'd think in normal English, but when she spoke, it came out in the more flowery medieval style the Asgardians use. As Valkyrie, she actually has to remember to speak that way to hide her identity.
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    Jane's Infinity Warp was revealed in Secret Warps #5. She was merged with Happy Hogan - and becomes the new Iron Hammer!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digifiend View Post
    Thing is though, as Thor, she'd think in normal English, but when she spoke, it came out in the more flowery medieval style the Asgardians use. As Valkyrie, she actually has to remember to speak that way to hide her identity.
    I found that quite odd actually, you would think with her possessing an alternate mjornir and Valkyrie, she would have less control. But even though she calls it a transformation, she appears more like herself then when she had 616 mjornir

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    Like I said, it isn't a possession, more an influence. She is still herself, but a different her, with something more in the mix as well, if that makes sense. In the same way that Thor is still Thor now that he is All-Father, but looking at King Thor, he does definitely appear to fit the same mold as Odin more with time. These roles apparently influence their weilders to appear and act a certain way. They are still them, they have to demonstrate certain qualities in the first place to even take up the roles, and there is some wiggle room to make the role their own to an extent, so it's not a complete rewriting of their personality, but.... With a bit extra. Presumably because the gods are subject to the whims of fate, they need to behave a certain way to ensure fated events come to pass. If they naturally just fit the role pretty much perfectly, it may not be much of a factor at all, but other cases may require a bit more of a push to get them to the right place. Aaron put so much emphasis on these roles though, (mostly the Thor role, but I have to assume the same basic principle extends to the others as well) I do think it will come into play here too.

    But even without the other Asgardians as examples, they wouldn't be putting these thoughts to page if there wasn't something there. But I also don't think they'd set it up this way if they intended the new role holders to just shrug their shoulders and go along with it. No one would want to lose themselves to fit some archetype. Especially with Loki in the mix, he's going to fight tooth and nail to remain fully himself, even though he landed a pretty sweet new role.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raye View Post
    I don't think the street level thing will really be a persistent thing, though. From solicits, she is going to be going multiverse hopping, which is far from street level. The street is just where the sword happened to be, and Bullseye is a street leveler. My best guess for the guy calling the shots here (and also likely the casino guy in Loki's book, so maybe a teamup down the line) is the Hood, who has a history of going after Asgard, and he's like this weird mix of mystical and street level. Like he thinks like a street leveler, he thinks in terms of pulling heists and the like, and wants to be a crime boss, but he's got this powerful magical artifact and pact with some demon giving him his powers, making him more powerful than most street level villains in terms of raw power, and he tends to go after bigger targets, like repeated attacks on Asgard. Which kinda jives with what may happen in Jane's book, sort of a mix of the two. Since I presume the secret identity and this Lisa character will be sticking around, which will keep it more grounded, but on the other hand she's a Valkyrie with a magic weapon who can travel to Valhalla and Asgard to chat with literal gods any time she wants. so I wouldn't really classify it as street level os much as her trying to live in both worlds.
    Oh yeah, I agree... I think we'll scale up pretty quickly. I think this first story will do a good job of establishing her "base" both in a character and material sense. Then from that very human starting point we'll go off into cosmic craziness. Also agreed that we'll see a lot of exploration of the stark contrast between her regular life as Jane and her extraordinary life as Valkyrie. I'm pretty sure that will be one of the main beats of the book and I'm super into it. A lot of books kind of overlook the insanity of a regular person going to another dimension to fight a god on their lunch break. I hope/think that there will be an in depth look at how that would impact a person.

    I love the idea of the Hood being the big bad! I think he got a great start in his series by Vaughn and his Dark Reign series. He might have gotten a bit overused for a while but I thought his "Illuminati" series was fantastic and I've been wanting more ever since. Plus the fact that Titania and Absorbing Man were part of the series makes the tie in to Jane make even more sense.

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    yep, I think part of the reason they kinda kept it classic with the secret identity, (even though i think it would have been easy to assume her identity as Thor and by extension Valkyrie would have been leaked by now, it was known to several characters in the superhero community, after all, so not a stretch to think it would get out to the general public since her secret is reliant on quite a few people keeping her secret), is to highlight the differences in the two worlds, and the responsibilities they hold. and I still think the whole 'role' thing comes with a personality change, maybe not a dramatic one, but something, so her civilian identity will likely come into play there as well.

    Yeah, I think the Absorbing Man and Titania connection could be another point in Hood's favor here. They've turned face (in an Ewing book, no less) so if they show up, it will likely be as a teamup against Hood, which could be interesting. I dunno, it was just a thought i had over in the Loki thread, after Armadillo's appearance there (Armadillo was part of Hood's most recent gang when he went after Doom. and of course Loki and Hood have history.) and realized he'd totally fit with this mysterious figure taking the call from Bullseye in Valkyrie's book as well, it would really fit his MO. I think it would be fun to have the baddie shared between the books, kinda set him up as a general Asgard rogue.

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    You think her ID would've leaked? Right, let's see who knows it then:

    Falcon Sam Wilson
    Doctor Strange
    All of the Asgardians
    Anyone who saw her get Poisoned in Venomized - because when she escaped the control, it was due to dropping the hammer and turning back into plain Jane.
    Anyone who saw her get rescued by Strange during Secret Empire, since she immediately changed back into plain Jane that time too because Mjolnir wasn't nearby.
    Roz Solomon, Agent of Wakanda and former Agent of SHIELD
    Gwenpool (she knows everyone's secret identities, unless they debuted after she did).

    Anyone else?
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    I'm not saying i think it has leaked, I'm just saying that if it had, I would have found it quite believable, considering how many people know at this point.

    All the ones you list, yes, and Lisa in this book, of course.

    Keep in mind that when you say 'all of the Asgardians' that includes good and bad. So while Thor won't spill, and most of the others won't either, (at least not intentionally. many of them do not even have contact with Midgard, really, now it seems Asgard is getting back on it's feet). But some of the others might, if they felt it could hurt her, or if someone approached them with the right price. I think Enchantress probably knows, for instance, because Malekith knew. It may be that Agger knows, as well, for the same reason, even if he didn't know initially.

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    Most of them found out when Jane was depowered and on the brink of death. Loki already knew though, and she'd recently confessed to Odinson.
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    I’m just happy that Jane is going to be Thor in the movies and in the comics she is now Valkyrie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raye View Post
    yep, I think part of the reason they kinda kept it classic with the secret identity, (even though i think it would have been easy to assume her identity as Thor and by extension Valkyrie would have been leaked by now, it was known to several characters in the superhero community, after all, so not a stretch to think it would get out to the general public since her secret is reliant on quite a few people keeping her secret), is to highlight the differences in the two worlds, and the responsibilities they hold. and I still think the whole 'role' thing comes with a personality change, maybe not a dramatic one, but something, so her civilian identity will likely come into play there as well.

    Yeah, I think the Absorbing Man and Titania connection could be another point in Hood's favor here. They've turned face (in an Ewing book, no less) so if they show up, it will likely be as a teamup against Hood, which could be interesting. I dunno, it was just a thought i had over in the Loki thread, after Armadillo's appearance there (Armadillo was part of Hood's most recent gang when he went after Doom. and of course Loki and Hood have history.) and realized he'd totally fit with this mysterious figure taking the call from Bullseye in Valkyrie's book as well, it would really fit his MO. I think it would be fun to have the baddie shared between the books, kinda set him up as a general Asgard rogue.
    Agreed on all points as far as the secret identity goes.

    The Red Hood thing makes a ton of sense. Even if he's not behind this particular crime, I think he'll show up sooner than later. Another possibility is the female character Spencer introduced in Amazing not too long ago. I'm not remembering details but I think she is the new leader of the Thieve's Guild? Or has a connection at least?

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    Jane and Valkyrie as badass Queen's of Asgard? Yeah I'd be cool with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WallStreeter View Post
    I’m just happy that Jane is going to be Thor in the movies and in the comics she is now Valkyrie.
    While True, something tells me the Valkyrie Role is going to be limited, with Jane reverting back to Mighty Thor with her absorbed Mjornir once the Thor movie takes off. While I'll appreciate this story, a huge feeling tells me this is merely a holding spot until Mighty Thor popularity explodes in the mainstream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leo619 View Post
    While True, something tells me the Valkyrie Role is going to be limited, with Jane reverting back to Mighty Thor with her absorbed Mjornir once the Thor movie takes off. While I'll appreciate this story, a huge feeling tells me this is merely a holding spot until Mighty Thor popularity explodes in the mainstream.
    I do kind of wonder what Marvel will do.

    I mean, I feel like this role is trying to give Jane a hero identity so she has something to do where she's not Thor (which predicates on her replacing OG!Thor) but there's the question of whether Marvel is over their obsession with synergy and whether Valkyrie will take off.

    I could see them doing a story where she temporarily becomes Thor again, but whether that will stick around again is another question. Or maybe they'll do what the cartoons did and keep her Thor form but give her a different codename.

    Somehow I don't expect Sam Wilson to become Captain America again despite what the movies are doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    I do kind of wonder what Marvel will do.

    I mean, I feel like this role is trying to give Jane a hero identity so she has something to do where she's not Thor (which predicates on her replacing OG!Thor) but there's the question of whether Marvel is over their obsession with synergy and whether Valkyrie will take off.

    I could see them doing a story where she temporarily becomes Thor again, but whether that will stick around again is another question. Or maybe they'll do what the cartoons did and keep her Thor form but give her a different codename.

    Somehow I don't expect Sam Wilson to become Captain America again despite what the movies are doing.
    I say it primarily depends upon the success sales of Valkyrie, Jane as Thor was among the best selling solo's in the ANAD time bloc. If Valkyrie doesn't keep up with those high sales (which is a good possibility seeing as it's Al Ewing driving instead of Jason Aaron, and his track record isn't the best when it comes to sales) I have a strong feeling she will become Thor. So it's not just about the synergy but about the success that Jane as Thor brought. Her as Valkyrie has to prove she can do just as well under that mantle.

    With that said, Sam Wilson and Jane are in entirely different scenario's. Sam Wilson as Cap was a barely average selling series. He sold better than under this falcon mantle, but it often dipped below 20k in regards to physical copies. Sadly we never saw it's digital sales but ultimately Sam Wilson and Cap, while a great story, definitely didn't receive the same acclaim as Jane did. (I'd wager a large portion of that was how they started off of the series, but that's for a different thread.) In the media, we haven't even receive a guarantee on seeing Sam Wilson as Cap in an actual movie. So far, the only guarantee we have is a tv show. Jane as Thor is already guaranteed to be in a movie (and most likely will span her own movies after she takes off in popularity.)

    So they're in completely different camps. I'd like Sam Wilson to be Captain America again, ESPECIALLY with everything that's going on now. But I don't likely see that situation happen. However, I'm almost certain we'll see Jane as Thor again, just because of the popularity and hype the character has.

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