Cap/ Peggy vs Thanos/Death

[OceanStar]

So I was thinking, what Cap did any different than Thanos love for Death? Are both selfish?

[davew128]

So I was thinking, what Cap did any different than Thanos love for Death? Are both selfish?

Are you talking about Endgame? Thanos didn't do anything for Death in the movie.

[capandkirby]

So I was thinking, what Cap did any different than Thanos love for Death? Are both selfish?

I assume you’re comparing Endgame-the-movie to the Infinity Guantlet comic series. And to answer your question, no, not even a little bit. To even pose this question is absurd.

1) Thanos is a Deviant, BORN a sociopath. He killed BILLIONS of people for Death because she was short on souls. Cap (and the others) SAVED billions of people, you get the distinction? One was death and one was life (<- couldn’t resist).

2) Although shippers with their little Stucky obsession disagree with me (Bucky was a CHILD when they met in the comics. I’m fully supportive of more LGBTQ representation in these films AND the comics but that particular ship is a hard no for me. It would make more sense to pair Steve with Sam, at least that one ship doesn’t come with child grooming connotations) Steve going back in time to be with Peggy, while wildly out-of-character [insert Waid’s panel about Steve saying he can’t live in the past because that’s where the fossils come from here] it didn’t result in the death of billions of people. It didn’t even change anything, it created a new timeline. The Russo’s, this past weekend at SDCC, stated themselves that Steve spent his time in the new universe saving Bucky from Hydra and stopping Hydra’s infiltration of SHIELD and whatnot. So even in the new universe Steve is saving lives not taking them.

Good lord the stuff that is posted here sometimes.

[Huntsman Spider]

I assume you’re comparing Endgame-the-movie to the Infinity Guantlet comic series. And to answer your question, no, not even a little bit. To even pose this question is absurd.

1) Thanos is a Deviant, BORN a sociopath. He killed BILLIONS of people for Death because she was short on souls. Cap (and the others) SAVED billions of people, you get the distinction? One was death and one was life (<- couldn’t resist).

2) Although shippers with their little Stucky obsession disagree with me (Bucky was a CHILD when they met in the comics. I’m fully supportive of more LGBTQ representation in these films AND the comics but that particular ship is a hard no for me. It would make more sense to pair Steve with Sam, at least that one ship doesn’t come with child grooming connotations) Steve going back in time to be with Peggy, while wildly out-of-character [insert Waid’s panel about Steve saying he can’t live in the past because that’s where the fossils come from here] it didn’t result in the death of billions of people. It didn’t even change anything, it created a new timeline. The Russo’s, this past weekend at SDCC, stated themselves that Steve spent his time in the new universe saving Bucky from Hydra and stopping Hydra’s infiltration of SHIELD and whatnot. So even in the new universe Steve is saving lives not taking them.

Good lord the stuff that is posted here sometimes.

I believe Steve and Bucky being the same age in the MCU comes from Ultimate Marvel also making them the same age in that version of Steve's backstory, though I otherwise agree with you that Steve going back in time to (finally) live his life with the woman he loved while still fighting for a better tomorrow for everyone, not just himself, does not put him anywhere near Thanos on moral grounds. And yeah, if we're gonna have slash pairings with Steve, might as well go with Sam (who should appear in the comics more often, especially with what's been happening in the current Captain America run), or even Tony/Iron Man, for crying out loud. In fact, there's a universe out there where they did get married, though Tony was a woman in that universe, so maybe that doesn't quite count.

[Mike_Murdock]

1) Thanos is a Deviant, BORN a sociopath. He killed BILLIONS of people for Death because she was short on souls. Cap (and the others) SAVED billions of people, you get the distinction? One was death and one was life (<- couldn’t resist).

I'd also argue that Death was fairly emotionally abusive towards Thanos. She would constantly DENNIS system the **** out of him. During Infinity Gauntlet, she routinely alternated between Neglecting Emotionally and Inspiring Hope until Thanos became her equal and superior. Then she more or less tried to separate entirely.

[Huntsman Spider]

I'd also argue that Death was fairly emotionally abusive towards Thanos. She would constantly DENNIS system the **** out of him. During Infinity Gauntlet, she routinely alternated between Neglecting Emotionally and Inspiring Hope until Thanos became her equal and superior. Then she more or less tried to separate entirely.

Hmm, DENNIS system? Just curious.

[capandkirby]

Hmm, DENNIS system? Just curious.

I’m curious what this means as well, I’ve not heard the term before.

I believe Steve and Bucky being the same age in the MCU comes from Ultimate Marvel also making them the same age in that version of Steve's backstory, though I otherwise agree with you that Steve going back in time to (finally) live his life with the woman he loved while still fighting for a better tomorrow for everyone, not just himself, does not put him anywhere near Thanos on moral grounds. And yeah, if we're gonna have slash pairings with Steve, might as well go with Sam (who should appear in the comics more often, especially with what's been happening in the current Captain America run), or even Tony/Iron Man, for crying out loud. In fact, there's a universe out there where they did get married, though Tony was a woman in that universe, so maybe that doesn't quite count.

Yeah, I remember that panel. One of Reed’s alternative realities where Civil War went differently if I’m not mistaken? I love Steve and it wouldn’t matter to me who he dated: male, female, them/they, alien, just so long as he’s happy. And I totally get, representation-wise, why it would be important to have a major character come out as LGBTQ, I just draw the line at him ending up with someone he practically raised. As a parent my immediate response to that is “no way”. Granted you’d have to be a comics reader to get why I’m upset by the idea and as you mentioned most who ship that pair probably aren’t. In the MCU they were the same age, too, they took Arnie Roth’s background and gave it to Bucky. I can’t turn it off though, my frame of reference for Cap is 616, even when watching the MCU I’m automatically kind of knee-jerk seeing Steve through that lense and comparing, so yeah any pair but that one. And I only mentioned that pair to begin with because, at least on Twitter, that group seems the most upset by Steve’s ending in Endgame. Or, at least, the most vocal about it.

[Ichijinijisanji]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFMWGf65Rj8

[XPac]

I'd also argue that Death was fairly emotionally abusive towards Thanos. She would constantly DENNIS system the **** out of him. During Infinity Gauntlet, she routinely alternated between Neglecting Emotionally and Inspiring Hope until Thanos became her equal and superior. Then she more or less tried to separate entirely.

Eh... I think emotionally abusive might be a bit too strong.

Since they weren't actually in a relationship at the time (except maybe in Thanos mind), I think she had a right to be distant once he came up with his own plan behind her back.

But in the least Death does seem like a tease. She tends to show more interest when he doesn't, and vice versa.

[Overhazard]

Steve is just a guy who wanted to be with his girl, Peggy genuinely loved him back.
Thanos on the other hand....is a cosmic neckbeard who's so thirsty Drake would tell him to chill out.

[pageturner]

Cap retired he fought in the war and he spent several years having the world after the ice. You have to figure he did some small scale heroics at least once he went back.

Thanks tried to wipe out half the universe. The movie skips the gift to death part.