House of X - 01 Or How the mutants got their groove back *spoilers*

[Random4]

is there a reason Charles looks like The Maker here

intentional by Hickman?

[Dante Milton]

is there a reason Charles looks like The Maker here

intentional by Hickman?

Jonathan has a type.

[ExodusCloak]

Well yes, if you still live in the '60s.

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[ExodusCloak]

is there a reason Charles looks like The Maker here

intentional by Hickman?

He looks like he borrowed Cassandra Nova duds

[hawkeyefan]

Honestly I feel that Bendis started our VERY strong, and loved how they chose to take things post AvsX. But yes, it felt very much like a great tv show that has an unbelievable first season and then goes "oh crap, we got renewed!??!" The O5 overstayed their welcome and the Uncanny run flamed out with the "Last Will" silliness. Otherwise the first 8-12 books in both runs to me were exactly the kind of thing I needed to be different than "action figure" comic books X-Men can sometimes become.

Yup, that about sums it up. I admit I wasn’t as into the idea of the teenaged O5 showing up, but he could have justified the decision if it had been executed well. Maybe things would have played out a little differently if he hadn’t left, but it felt like the story was just treading water by then.

I think it shows how challenging the X-Men are given that really talented and accomplished writers struggle so much with them. Fraction, Gillen, and Bunn are great writers; fantastic creator owned work, and solid work for hire stuff, too. But X-Men seems to have thrown each for a loop in one way or another. Most of it seems to be based on editorial interference or impact from company wide marketing and crossovers.

I’m hoping Hickman can change that trend and can keep his vision in place.

[Havok83]

Yup, that about sums it up. I admit I wasn’t as into the idea of the teenaged O5 showing up, but he could have justified the decision if it had been executed well. Maybe things would have played out a little differently if he hadn’t left, but it felt like the story was just treading water by then.

I think it shows how challenging the X-Men are given that really talented and accomplished writers struggle so much with them. Fraction, Gillen, and Bunn are great writers; fantastic creator owned work, and solid work for hire stuff, too. But X-Men seems to have thrown each for a loop in one way or another. Most of it seems to be based on editorial interference or impact from company wide marketing and crossovers.

I’m hoping Hickman can change that trend and can keep his vision in place.

IDA on Gillen. His run was absolutely fantastic. I dont feel like he struggled or was thrown through a loop. His run was just too damn short but he turned out amazing books in that period

[Maniacal]

Love the idea of character fusions being this natural thing for mutants. In their history, we have seen many various forms of fusions be they mental or physical:

Xavier and Fantomex
Apocalypse and Cyclops
Psylocke and Kwannon
Amalgam and... well... everyone
The M, Penance and Emplate...situation
The Kleinstocks
Proteus and Piecemeal
Legion and Xman
Douglock
Onslaught
Characters like morlock MeMe.
Mimic’s appearance as a fusion of the original 5.
Mister Sinister working so hard to combine Jean Grey and Cyclops DNA.

This”idea” has come before... and just seems natural to me.

[Doctor_Foxey]

For me it’s been since probably Whedon. I like plenty of the writers who’ve worked on the books in the interim, and some had at least some cool ideas or concepts...notably Fraction and Gillen...but I feel like the editorial mandate with X-Men is too strong to let many writers do their best work. I like Cullen Bunn quite a bit....but his X-Men book was pretty jumbled from what (admittedly) little I saw.

The X-Men need a writer whose presence on the book is a big deal in and of itself. They had that with Bendis; a writer who had the ability to override editorial requirements....but he went with the time travel O5 route, which in retrospect seems poorly thought out. I don’t know if he had any kind of endgame in mind for that gimmick nor do I think he really had a lot to say with the O5 kids. Cyclops and his renegade status was probably the most compelling part of Bendis’s era, but it kind of painted the character into a corner.

Prior to Bendis, Morrison was the last such writer on the book. Where he had ideas and they (largely) let him run with them. Obviously, they started interfering to some extent, but that seems to have been later on when the relationship was starting to sour. Whedon followed, and they gave him his own book so that it didn’t mess with continuity....but any other reference to the X-Men during that time was the Astonishing team. Whedon’s book was also less about pushing the franchise forward so much as it was about trying to meld Claremont and Morrison, really.

Hickman obviously has a lot of say about what happens in the books and with the franchise. And I think that’s what it takes to make a good X-Men comic. A writer with a vision and an editorial team willing to let the writer execute that vision.

I totally agree with this. It’s when a talented writer is given the space and time to make the book and characters his/her own that you can really see a body of work produced that could be unique. Whether it’s going to be good or not is another matter. You see this a lot with mangakas. However I think another thing that interferes is the constant events. When I first started reading comics with Robin series I saw how each event was like a annoying wrecking ball. Dysrupting Dixons carefully constructed plot.

[Random4]

I would be interested in getting Chris Claremont's take on this if he has read this?

[Punch Dimension.]

I have to disagree. They could've used Blob, Glob, or even Mojo for that. Creed didn't used to be low-level when he was written with respect. Like the one that mentally broke Xavier, gutted Psylocke, destroyed Angel's wings, outsmarted Sinister, mind-screwed a telepath into a coma, etc. He was a former top CIA operative and expert Hacker who stole Weapon X info, and locked out the officials. Why is Toad the janitor stealing the data rather than Creed doing it, and actually having some skillset reestablished?

But he's sadly been misused and turned into a D-list fodder over the years, and we're basically back to the 70's version who got whooped by everyone and had no powers. lol The one that needed to go to the hospital after getting punched by Misty Knight.

Plus if he is that low level, why even arrest him when he's not a huge threat? lol Again sadly, Creed is misused as a throwaway villain when they could be using legit D-listers for that instead ruining what used to be more solid B-listers.

Yeahhhhhhh he's still pathetic when compared to the FF, CIA training or not. Also, why on Earth would Mojo be here?

Honestly it's kind of weird to me that someone is even a fan of Rapertooth in the first place, never mind complaining about him being a low level punk, when thats pretty much all he's ever been. Ranking an entire comic around how one minor character is portrayed in a minor scene is bizarre to me.

[Punch Dimension.]

I would be interested in getting Chris Claremont's take on this if he has read this?

He wouldn't like it because ego and hubris.

[Omega Alpha]

I would be interested in getting Chris Claremont's take on this if he has read this?

Wasn't Claremont complaining that the X-men should never move away from the mansion?

[Punch Dimension.]

Wasn't Claremont complaining that the X-men should never move away from the mansion?

Despite moving them away from the mansion himself multiple times.

"Angry old man shouts at cloud"

[TheCape]

Yeahhhhhhh he's still pathetic when compared to the FF, CIA training or not. Also, why on Earth would Mojo be here?

Honestly it's kind of weird to me that someone is even a fan of Rapertooth in the first place, never mind complaining about him being a low level punk, when thats pretty much all he's ever been. Ranking an entire comic around how one minor character is portrayed in a minor scene is bizarre to me.

Well, although i do agreed that Creed is no threat to the FF and their way out of their league. SF is right when she says that Creed has been consistently portrayed as a punching bag instead of legitimate threat, mostly because he really shouldn't be part of this kind of stories, he is the kind of guy more suited to fight street level people like Cap, DD and Wolverine, so putting him in a position like this is just kind of dumb (also why Scott would accept people like Raven and Victor in Kraoka is beyond, Erik at least hasn't been a villain for some time). so her frustration is understandable, even if i don't think that is enough to give the comic a thumb down.

Also, Creed is a pretty solid villain, conceptually speaking and had some good stories under his belt, so of course that he has fans, even if they aren't many, he just need to be keep away for the big X-Men stuff (especially when you remember that he doesn't care about the Mutant vs Human business).

[Maestroneto]

I would be interested in getting Chris Claremont's take on this if he has read this?

He hated Morrison establishing that mutants would overtake humans because that would mean Magneto was right.