House of X - 01 Or How the mutants got their groove back *spoilers*

[Tycon]

I completely agree! That's been why I haven't bought the pod-people theory.

Say it IS the case? Are we NOT finding out during Hox and PoX? Or we are, and then we follow the continued adventures of the plantelgänger X-Men? Or they're exposed and the originals are restored, and then they keep using Krakoa, and wearing the outfits the dupes wore?

Clearly stuff's going on on multiple levels, on multiple fronts, but the "Xavier MUST be the Maker!" and "those MUST be pod-people" ideas never really clicked for me. They're obvious, and yet non-sensical if looked at with all the information we have access to, I think.

If these really are pod people, and the X-Men not only still use Krakoa and its portals but wear the exact same outfits as their dupes, it sort of would make the entire reveal pointless. And we know mutants like Chamber and Havok are dead but are back. I don’t know how else they could be back without Krakoa being involved. There’s definitely some major twists but I think certain stuff he’s set up will make sense without taking the obvious road of “Xavier evil, X-Men fake, Krakoa monster.” I am wondering how Scott gets his eye back unless Elixir just healed him.

Larocca made her look like Jean in his run despite her having short hair in Dead Souls

Yeah and if she died with long hair, makes sense that she’d be resurrected with long hair. I think loke13 had the theory but I’m not sure, that Cerebro is the Mutant Index that’s instrumental in Krakoa regrowing mutants.

[powerpax]

I don't believe it's going to go to "Krakoa's behind it all!" or that the X-Men are mind controlled pod people. Obviously the overtones of them being regenerated via bioengineering are ominous. But it's supposed to be menacing/awe-inspiring, and we're supposed to be ambivalent about their behavior. (Especially Scott's veiled remark to the Richards' about their son.) It's okay for the X-Men to be dangerous again. We can be with them/sympathize with them and still be a little freaked out or uneasy by their choices. That's drama.

I suspect Krakoa, etc. will remain past the minis and tbh I'm very excited about that.

[CuteNimrod]

All the x-men feel like zombies, Cyclops assiting Sabretooth, Mystique and Toad?? helping them escape from the F4 after stealing something (probably for Xavier). This looks like trouble, and the cause are our heros.

[Harpsikord]

All the x-men feel like zombies, Cyclops assiting Sabretooth, Mystique and Toad?? helping them escape from the F4 after stealing something (probably for Xavier). This looks like trouble, and the cause are our heros.

It was for Xavier - it was the drive that she gives X in Powers of X 1.

[CuteNimrod]

It was for Xavier - it was the drive that she gives X in Powers of X 1.

Yes, I feel like mutants will end up being the cause of their own destruction (again, lol)

[ISnowNothin]

It was for Xavier - it was the drive that she gives X in Powers of X 1.

Don't forget, this thread is for HoX #1, not everyone is caught up to PoX spoilers yet.

[Jesse-James]

Let me try to create a cast list of this issue;

Armor
Banshee
Beast
Colossus
Cuckoos, including Sophie and Esmé
Cyclops
Cypher
Jean Grey
Kitty Pryde
Krakoa
Magneto
Mystique
Nightcrawler
Omega Sentinel Karima Shapandar
Reed Richards
Sabretooth
Sage
Storm
Sue Richards
Thing
Toad
Wolverine
Xavier

[CoCoBandz]

Let me try to create a cast list of this issue;

Armor
Banshee
Beast
Colossus
Cuckoos, including Sophie and Esmé
Cyclops
Cypher
Jean Grey
Kitty Pryde
Krakoa
Magneto
Mystique
Nightcrawler
Omega Sentinel Karima Shapandar
Reed Richards
Sabretooth
Sage
Storm
Sue Richards
Toad
Wolverine
Xavier

Don't forget the huggable Ben Grimm.

[Jesse-James]

Don't forget the huggable Ben Grimm.

I added him to the list.

[ISnowNothin]

Kuan-Yin Xorn and Shen-Xorn show up in the issue on the tour through different Krakoa Habitats, meditating on Tibetan mountains, and Mindee Cuckoo is the one in all black who is already accompanying Magneto when he first appeared in the issue, and joined him on the tour, as established in the script in the Director's Cut.

[JKtheMac]

If these really are pod people, and the X-Men not only still use Krakoa and its portals but wear the exact same outfits as their dupes, it sort of would make the entire reveal pointless. And we know mutants like Chamber and Havok are dead but are back. I don’t know how else they could be back without Krakoa being involved. There’s definitely some major twists but I think certain stuff he’s set up will make sense without taking the obvious road of “Xavier evil, X-Men fake, Krakoa monster.” I am wondering how Scott gets his eye back unless Elixir just healed him.

It would be a total anticlimax if this was the way it was presented. This first issue plays on these kinds of fears. There is an element of this kind of thing but there is clearly more going on.

For starters the ‘these are all just copies’ idea is totally illogical. Given the crazy stuff the mutants have been through they wouldn’t just walk blindly into that kind of situation where they all got captured and copied.

‘Xavier must be evil and or The Maker’ wouldn’t make a lot of sense. The ‘cult leader’ vibe feels much more likely. Xavier seems to have shifted his approach but key personnel seem on board with everything. A mutant wide conspiracy of manipulation and mind control could be an interesting story but why would it be necessary? It would be a very high risk strategy and one could just talk to them. If the stakes are that high, and clearly they are, normal persuasion would be just as effective and more likely to succeed in the long term. The tricky mutants could be brought on board with enticements to tow the line.

There is no getting around that Krakoa is a monster, or that this is a creepy set-up. It is clear that a line has been crossed. This suggests extreme necessity. What we don’t know is how far over the moral line things have moved, but in general stories are much more interesting if things remain in the grey area. If the line has been crossed I am sure it is in a way that will cause debate not universal condemnation. Challenging not irredeemable.

Yeah and if she died with long hair, makes sense that she’d be resurrected with long hair. I think loke13 had the theory but I’m not sure, that Cerebro is the Mutant Index that’s instrumental in Krakoa regrowing mutants.

That’s certainly my theory. That we are seeing very specific “save points” and that Cerebro is responsible for this. Without spoiling, there is some contradiction to this in PoX that makes we wonder.

[powerpax]

IIRC Krakoa Jr. in WATXM was benevolent. It stands to reason that Krakoa Island in HoX is either an outgrowth/evolution of that Krakoa, or equally mutant-friendly. Utilized for ominous/spooky-seeming ends at times, sure. But I don't see evidence that Krakoa (this iteration, anyway) has resumed being a problem for the mutants or is an out and out negative entity. They seem to have come to an understanding. It only becomes extreme necessity if this Krakoa is as bloodthirsty as the original.

[Fokken]

Don't forget the huggable Ben Grimm.

Also Cipher.
She always there

[Tycon]

I think a key piece is finding it which Krakoa this is. Papa Krakoa should be in space rn and couldn’t even speak because it had no sentience. But Kid Krakoa would be all for helping out his friends.

It would be a total anticlimax if this was the way it was presented. This first issue plays on these kinds of fears. There is an element of this kind of thing but there is clearly more going on.

For starters the ‘these are all just copies’ idea is totally illogical. Given the crazy stuff the mutants have been through they wouldn’t just walk blindly into that kind of situation where they all got captured and copied.

‘Xavier must be evil and or The Maker’ wouldn’t make a lot of sense. The ‘cult leader’ vibe feels much more likely. Xavier seems to have shifted his approach but key personnel seem on board with everything. A mutant wide conspiracy of manipulation and mind control could be an interesting story but why would it be necessary? It would be a very high risk strategy and one could just talk to them. If the stakes are that high, and clearly they are, normal persuasion would be just as effective and more likely to succeed in the long term. The tricky mutants could be brought on board with enticements to tow the line.

There is no getting around that Krakoa is a monster, or that this is a creepy set-up. It is clear that a line has been crossed. This suggests extreme necessity. What we don’t know is how far over the moral line things have moved, but in general stories are much more interesting if things remain in the grey area. If the line has been crossed I am sure it is in a way that will cause debate not universal condemnation. Challenging not irredeemable.

It kind of lends Xavier to some credibility because we do know that dead mutants will be back by the end of this, they will still be on Krakoa or “a whole new world” if they aren’t one in the same, and their costumes are relatively the same. So the whole copies thing either isn’t happening or is so inconsequential to the plot that it doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things. I think what Hickman’s doing is gonna hit like a freight train and will be so obviously laid out throughout these books yet nothing we’ve really speculated as a huge twist thus far.

At this point, I’m hoping Hickman puts them in a position where the X-Men and hero community at large recognizes the necessity of making decisions that could be considered morally grey. Even with the creepiness of the Cradle, apparent disregard for mortality, and almost forced sovereignty, none of the X-Men’s actions are outright villainous. Definitely creepy but not “Avengers come out of nowhere and beat our asses” creepy. I think PoX seems to at least confirm that Krakoa’s existence in and itself isn’t some malicious force. And if that person referenced in that issue is who we think it is, maybe Xavier isn’t all that bad either.

That’s certainly my theory. That we are seeing very specific “save points” and that Cerebro is responsible for this. Without spoiling, there is some contradiction to this in PoX that makes we wonder.

What do you think contradicts it?

[JKtheMac]

What do you think contradicts it?

Well the Chimera idea seems to rely on mutants being born and then brought up, and seems to be a future technology. I was previously speculating about combinations being created at an older age and being possible now. So it contradicts what I was saying earlier about Krakoa potentially being able to 3D print ready made combinations.

I still think Cerebro has been recording mutants and combined with Krakoa can produce mutants from any era at any age. I have been sceptical that it is really on Earth.