Last edited by KC; 08-01-2019 at 11:18 AM.
“Somewhere, in our darkest night, we made up the story of a man who will never let us down.”
- Grant Morrison on Superman
Wally never had an outgoing personality. I think that you're confusing Wally with Bart. The way Snyder wrote Barry in Justice League is an outlier. He's usually not written that way. Compared to the way Barry was written in the 80s with now, yes I would say that he's more outgoing but he's not being written like Wally because Wally is not very outgoing. In the New Teen Titans Wally was some what aloof and didn't want to be bothered. His relationship with the other Titans suffered when he realized that Raven was making him fall in love with her. And it didn't really fully recovered until way in his solo series after Nightwing and Starfire guest starred after getting married (almost). And then when Geoff Johns came along he became good friends with Cyborg. But still Wally has never been very outgoing. That was Bart.
If characters introduced in The Flash from 1987-2008 were made off-limits to writers of The Flash, then where else should they appear?
Boy that's a whole load of BS. No one's getting the toys but Barry. They've changed the whole toy box to bar Wally's claim to any of it. I know you couldn't care less so long as Barry gets the toys, but things were much more respectful when Wally was in the spotlight. Again, I know you don't care but please stop trying to obfuscate the entire point being made. It's disingenuous.
Last edited by Dred; 08-01-2019 at 12:30 PM.
It's not "BS", it's true. I am not trying to "obfuscate the entire point being made". Character and concepts added to the DC Universe are going to be used by more than just who they were made for. That is a fact. And that includes character and concepts made for Wally. Changing and retconning things is a part of this as it all depends on how writers want to use these things.
“Somewhere, in our darkest night, we made up the story of a man who will never let us down.”
- Grant Morrison on Superman
Except the **** that happens for Barry did not happen with Wally. This is exactly what I mean. You draw some nonsense false equivalence, acting like this has always been the case and its totally normal. Except it isn't and this is the only place it happens, with all of Wally's history, stories, and narrative relevance being expressly removed to be given to Barry. I said this at the beginning, when Wally became The Flash they DID NOT retcon The Rogues' histories to make it so they never knew or battled Barry. Because that'd be super fucking disrespectful. But when they do it to Wally you say it's par for the damn course. That's the BS you're spouting. If the shoe was on the other foot you'd be livid.
Last edited by Dred; 08-01-2019 at 12:53 PM.
It does always happen. Not always to the extreme level of some of the things that happened to Wally. But characters and concepts are used by other writers and these characters and concepts are changed and expanded upon. This happens and it is all a part of the shared universe.
We are not talking about how disrespectful it can be, Just that it does happen.
Last edited by KC; 08-01-2019 at 01:49 PM.
“Somewhere, in our darkest night, we made up the story of a man who will never let us down.”
- Grant Morrison on Superman
Guys, please keep your conversations civil.
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I would appreciate it if you stopped using strawmen. I have made it abundantly clear that I am not saying Barry should be disallowed from using the speed force. I am saying that it and every aspect of Wally's tenure shouldn't be annihilated in the process of using it.
And no, the New 52 wasn't necessarily a harder reboot than COIE. They gladly kept plenty of elements that spit in the face of a reboot. They chose not to with Flash, which continued the ripping of Wallys qualities and stapling onto Barry.
Last edited by Dred; 08-01-2019 at 03:04 PM.
That wasn't a strawman, it was an example.
It came with a reboot and/or changes for every franchise. Unlike COIE where characters like Wally kept most of their continuity. The only characters who got that in the New 52 were some Green Lantern characters and some Batman characters. Wally was not the only character that no longer existed. DC did not have to (and didn't) keep things from being used just because they were Wally's first.
“Somewhere, in our darkest night, we made up the story of a man who will never let us down.”
- Grant Morrison on Superman