Why isn't Northstar more popular?

[Nyssane]

This question has been on my mind a lot lately.

Representation is vital in today's climate. People want to see themselves in all forms of media, but especially film. Wonder Woman led the way for female superheroes on the big screen, and Black Panther did the same for black (male) superheroes. Shang-Chi will probably be huge when the movie comes out. But nobody really seems to be pushing for a Northstar movie, or even a solo comic series, when really he seems to be the only option in terms of gay male representation.

Northstar could easily be Marvel's gay male version of Wonder Woman. No other character even comes close when it goes to mainstream comic history. He's had the first coming out, he's had the first gay marriage. I believe he's the first gay character to ever have his own title (albeit a mini-series)? Yet, he still goes pretty unnoticed by both fans and creators.

So why do you think Northstar isn't more popular?

Some possible responses based on what I've seen so far:

• Northstar hasn't been pushed because Marvel only recently got the rights to mutants back.
• Northstar is too "stereotypically gay" (whatever that means).
• Iceman has taken Northstar's place as "token gay."
• Northstar's powers aren't that unique.
• Aurora drags Northstar down.

[nnelg]

He is a team character. The next time he is on a book then buy it. Build his popularity. The last time Alpha Flight had a title it went from being a ongoing to a mini because most people didn't buy it. Then it won't get cancelled. Staying published will help build popularity. Also his sexuality shouldn't matter. Whether you like the character and if you're willing to spend the money on the title is what should matter. As a fan of Alpha Flight I would possibly buy a Northstar title. But the less a character is used the less likely he/she will be popular.

[Nyssane]

He is a team character.

That hasn't stopped DC from constantly publishing Cyborg comics.

Also his sexuality shouldn't matter.

Does Black Panther's blackness matter? Does Captain Marvel's womanhood matter?

Northstar's sexuality does matter to many fans, and the character has been the pioneer for gay representation in mainstream comics. He deserves better than what he normally gets.

[Ptrvc]

That hasn't stopped DC from constantly publishing Cyborg comics.



Does Black Panther's blackness matter? Does Captain Marvel's womanhood matter?

Northstar's sexuality does matter to many fans, and the character has been the pioneer for gay representation in mainstream comics. He deserves better than what he normally gets.

You can't make people like a character, despite what Marvel and DC editorial might think.

[Immortal Weapon]

That hasn't stopped DC from constantly publishing Cyborg comics.

It has done nothing to improve his popularity.

[Snoop Dogg]

Nova was in an extremely similar position before he was retooled and they made him a popular lead. You definitely can make people like a character, even if they think they never would.

[Panic]

There is no character that can't be popular. Generally, as super-heroes are reader stand-ins, you just need to make sure the audience sympathises with them and their situation, and that they kick @$$ in a really cool way. Trouble is, in the crowded MU many heroes are forced into support roles where they are unsympathetic and don't get to have big wins or do cool stuff.

[nnelg]

That hasn't stopped DC from constantly publishing Cyborg comics.



Does Black Panther's blackness matter? Does Captain Marvel's womanhood matter?

Northstar's sexuality does matter to many fans, and the character has been the pioneer for gay representation in mainstream comics. He deserves better than what he normally gets.

No Black Panther's blackness doesn't matter. He has a cool Batmanish costume. He has cool powers. The cool costume sells the book not the skin colour. If it wasn't the costume that help sell a book then why does almost every issue show the hero wearing the costume.


I never once cared about the sexuality of a fictional character before. I don't really understand why anyone does.

[skyvolt2000]

That hasn't stopped DC from constantly publishing Cyborg comics.

Does Black Panther's blackness matter? Does Captain Marvel's womanhood matter?

Northstar's sexuality does matter to many fans, and the character has been the pioneer for gay representation in mainstream comics. He deserves better than what he normally gets.

Cyborg has had 2 series. The first sold badly and had editorial issues.

The second one was selling under 20K at issue 6 and got axed in the middle of a story.

In both cases sales for the book were WORST than Moon Girl.

Trades sales had Cyborg beaten by Prowler and even black lead books from the indys.


If representation didn't matter why are there novels HIDING the race of the lead? Rivers of London is about a black male yet his novels HID his race.
Why are the main books attacked at Marvel POC & LGBTQ lead books?
Review bombing Black Panther & Cap Marvel?
Cries of Marvel Phase 4 is an attack on a certain gender and demo?

If it didn't matter-we wouldn't see this nonsense.
the push back makes it an issue way more than the asking for it.

[Personamanx]

I would say that his best opportunity to really grab it was probably lost. Alpha Flight's original run wasn't the most unpopular comic out there, at certain points it may have had the momentum to create a successful spin-off. It just never happened. Outside of a story or Two in Marvel Present JP didn't really have any solo ventures during the team's most successful period. Maybe with a few more of those he could have made it big, but it could have still gone down the same route. Him being an infrequently appearing X-Man.

[Snoop Dogg]

A. His main thing is Alpha Flight, which is a cult team
B. His design is good, but pretty basic because he was designed to be half of a pair on a full team
C. Alpha Flight
D. Not prominent in the X-Men which have also gotten less prominent
E. Alpha Flight
F. His powers are kinda basic, super speed is an engaging visual because you can immediately see the difference between normal speed, but when you have flying super speed, that difference is less distinct, and that's his primary thing

I can see him being retooled as a leading man, but that requires a ground-up retool, and then if we have that we can keep his sexuality, marriage, history to make him more rich. And if the goal was to make Iceman, the more popular character, a leading man in the MU or flagship LGBT, I think they fumbled that ball in a few big ways.

[ChrisIII]

He seems pretty much a bit too much like Quicksilver, not so much the powers but the arrogant, snooty brother with a superpowered (and occasionally unstable) sister.


I know he's been on the X-men a few times, but mostly seems to get stuck with "meh" writers when that happens.

[Snoop Dogg]

He seems pretty much a bit too much like Quicksilver, not so much the powers but the arrogant, snooty brother with a superpowered (and occasionally unstable) sister.

This is also a massive problem. You can make a case for him being lesser Pietro in almost every way.

[Michael Watkins]

they ruined him by giving him a boyfriend/husband. there's nothing more boring than newlyweds. i remember liking his mini from way back when. i don't think that there's anything inherently wrong with the character. he'd be the alpha flight member that i'd read for. in some ways, Pietro is an imitation of Jean Paul. the latter was an actual terrorist sympathizer. Pietro is just snooty and entitled.

[nnelg]

His being able to fly makes him better than Quicksilver. At least powers wise. Also he can blinde people with a flash of light then whoop their ass at super speed.