Fantastic Four #12 SPOILERS and review

[Crimz]

[Crimz]

https://www.newsarama.com/46272-the-...2-preview.html

[Crimz]

I like that Slott seems to have gotten the characters voices right, except for the Lyja joke. That situation shouldn’t be treated as a joke, but a serious violation of both Johnny and Alicia.

[Snoop Dogg]

first hickman made reed cool again then he got a beard now he has a coat

it has to stop where is the line he can't become anymore DADDY

[U.N. Owen]

Seems like a pretty straightforward old timey Hulk vs. Thing story. Comedy seems to be good, except for that Lyja joke. Ben giving out autographed pictures of himself will never not be funny.

Hope it's good.

Slott, don't screw this up.

[KangMiRae]

Yeesh, I feel like some of Marvel's writers think it's okay to just make jokes about stuff that happened in the older ages, but I mean, seriously. That Lyja joke is fucked.

[CaptCleghorn]

I like that Slott seems to have gotten the characters voices right, except for the Lyja joke. That situation shouldn’t be treated as a joke, but a serious violation of both Johnny and Alicia.

We'd think so, and I suspect that joke might have gone over considerably differently had one of the four not made it. Families dealing with tragedy like personal mistakes, or diseases sometimes make very inappropriate jokes about those circumstances. They just don't let anybody else do it.

And to be honest, Johnny's gotten off a lot of inappropriate stuff to Ben as well. I can certainly understand them being OK with it between themselves, anyway.

[Kintor]

Perhaps I'm not as up on my Fantastic Four lore as I thought I was. Is this 'annual transmutation' for the Thing something already established or did Dan Slott just pull the idea out of his ass?

[Crimz]

Perhaps I'm not as up on my Fantastic Four lore as I thought I was. Is this 'annual transmutation' for the Thing something already established or did Dan Slott just pull the idea out of his ass?

Established in Hickman’s run. The Future Foundation found a cure for his transformation that on lasts a day (or was it a week?) annually.

[Omega Alpha]

I like that Slott seems to have gotten the characters voices right, except for the Lyja joke. That situation shouldn’t be treated as a joke, but a serious violation of both Johnny and Alicia.

2019 and writers still don't get that if two people have sex with one another, but one of them doesn't know who the other is (whether by shape-shifting, mind-control, etc), then that person is being raped. But, oh, Johnny's a man, so it's OK.

[Dermie]

2019 and writers still don't get that if two people have sex with one another, but one of them doesn't know who the other is (whether by shape-shifting, mind-control, etc), then that person is being raped. But, oh, Johnny's a man, so it's OK.

It might also have something to do with the fact that the situation ended up becoming a lot more complicated than that, and Johnny and Lyja getting involved for real after her deception was finally exposed.

It doesn't make how the whole thing started any less creepy or wrong, but it does mean that Johnny has moved past the whole rape/violation aspect of it and his history with her is about more than just that now.

[Crimz]

It might also have something to do with the fact that the situation ended up becoming a lot more complicated than that, and Johnny and Lyja getting involved for real after her deception was finally exposed.

It doesn't make how the whole thing started any less creepy or wrong, but it does mean that Johnny has moved past the whole rape/violation aspect of it and his history with her is about more than just that now.

The writers tried to make it an actual romance, but Onslaught and Heroes Reborn happened before it could be done (thankfully). So he never really forgave her and her actions should never be excused.

[CaptCleghorn]

It might also have something to do with the fact that the situation ended up becoming a lot more complicated than that, and Johnny and Lyja getting involved for real after her deception was finally exposed.

It doesn't make how the whole thing started any less creepy or wrong, but it does mean that Johnny has moved past the whole rape/violation aspect of it and his history with her is about more than just that now.

A couple of things about the Lyja situation. A similar situation happened in Legion of Super-Heroes where a Durlan imposter acted as Shrinking Violet and got involved with Colossal Boy. They also stayed together after the subterfuges was exposed. That turn seemed more natural (less creepy) because of actual intent and political alliances. Johnny and Lyja never hit me as a good thing. The origin considering the Medusa thing, maybe Johnny is an a-hole. But making her a Skrull imposter, IMO, was a way to lessen the ewww factor and give some acceptability to the pairing.

All in all, I am NOT one of the fans who's taken to Lyja. If she were to fade into limbo, I'd miss absolutely nothing.

[Triniking1234]

Art's on point. I don't know why I thought the back-to-human thing only lasted one day. There must've been a mix up back in the day.

[TheCape]

2019 and writers still don't get that if two people have sex with one another, but one of them doesn't know who the other is (whether by shape-shifting, mind-control, etc), then that person is being raped. But, oh, Johnny's a man, so it's OK.

Is Slott bro, after SSM, this is no surprise.