So, if no Hickman, what should be done with the Titans?

[Green Goblin of Sector 2814]

So, I know a lot of us got excited that Hickman said he wanted to write the Titans if he ever came to DC, but since he's under an exclusive deal with Marvel writing X-Men, that's not happening anytime soon. So...what should be done to help save the Titans? What story ideas, team shake-ups, and directions should be implemented?

Here are my ideas

Step 1: Recanonize 100% of the Pre-Flashpoint Titans Canon.

I'm sorry to sound like a broken record on this, but a team without a history is a team without any real promise of a future. Do you know what made House of X so good? Hickman was able to draw on the lore and the history of the X-Men to create a new environment and new status quo for them. So, without that lore that once meant something to the Titans, the franchise is just spinning its wheels.

Step 2: Create a New Status Quo and Give the Team a Mission.

As stated above, Hickman's X-Men is paving the way to an exciting new status quo, but one that is grounded in familiar elements. Do the same for the Titans. Maybe spinning out of Event Leviathan, we see Nightwing come back (finally done with all the Ric business) and he decides to use his resources and those of others to relaunch the team in a new iteration. Give them a mission similar to that of the team on the Young Justice TV show: to safeguard and ensure the development of minor metahumans.

Give the team a semi-large roster, filled with all sorts of characters from the team's past who want to sign on with Dick's new mission. I'm not just talking Cyborg and Starfire and Raven and Beast Boy, but let's see Wildebeest, Pantha, Hawk and Dove, Red Star, Argent, even Phantasm coming out of the woodwork. I'd also like to see Donna, Wally, and Roy coming back.

Give them a new base of operations, like how Hickman is doing for the X-Men or how Bendis did for Superman. Maybe a new Titans Tower, but this time, not in New York or San Francisco or anywhere it was before.

I don't know the details right now, but believe me, I might come up with something and pitch it to DC myself if I have to.

Step 3: Make Sure a Talented Writer Helms It.

Since Hickman can't do it, let's give it to someone who both loves these characters and is a proven writer. Jeff Lemire or Mark Russell or Sam Humphries could be excellent options just off the top of my head. Or heck, even Scott Snyder once he wraps up Justice League. Also, what's Charles Soule up to? If he's not still under exclusive at Marvel, then he could maybe come back to DC and do this.

Step 4: Keep it Out of the Purview of Certain Parts of Editorial.

Hopefully, this could be something kept out of the purview of editors that don't really understand the Titans.

[Darkcrusade25]

The Titans are pretty much the jobber squad for the next year atleast tbh

[Badou]

I honestly don't think anything can be done. I think the Titans is a dead franchise. Characters too old to be doing the same things they did before, but also they can never fully join or step over the Justice League. They are stuck. The books will still sell decent but it will never be a comic that will satisfy people. Too many readers what to see different things. Some want to read about Dick's generation, others want to read about Tim's generation, and some even want to read about Damian's new generation. Some want to see Dick's gen move on from the franchise and change focus to the younger heroes, and others want to see Dick's gen play babysitter and watch over the younger generation. Some want to see them work with the Justice League and others want to see them be completely independent. It is a mess.

The X-Men have a consistent central theme to all their stories. It is about the Mutans and their struggle, but the Titans don't have a central theme. The closest they have to one is "young heroes teaming up and learning to be heroes together", but as you add more and more older Titans characters you lose that theme I feel. I think the only way for the franchise to have some massive revival is if DC rebooted completely and Dick is Robin again. I think the franchise is in too much of a mess and the story potential is too thin to have a massive revival as things are now.

[Midnight_v]

I honestly don't think anything can be done. I think the Titans is a dead franchise. Characters too old to be doing the same things they did before, but also they can never fully join or step over the Justice League. They are stuck. The books will still sell decent but it will never be a comic that will satisfy people. Too many readers what to see different things. Some want to read about Dick's generation, others want to read about Tim's generation, and some even want to read about Damian's new generation. Some want to see Dick's gen move on from the franchise and change focus to the younger heroes, and others want to see Dick's gen play babysitter and watch over the younger generation. Some want to see them work with the Justice League and others want to see them be completely independent. It is a mess.

The X-Men have a consistent central theme to all their stories. It is about the Mutans and their struggle, but the Titans don't have a central theme. The closest they have to one is "young heroes teaming up and learning to be heroes together", but as you add more and more older Titans characters you lose that theme I feel. I think the only way for the franchise to have some massive revival is if DC rebooted completely and Dick is Robin again. I think the franchise is in too much of a mess and the story potential is too thin to have a massive revival as things are now.

... I agree with this. fully.

[Agent Z]

I honestly don't think anything can be done. I think the Titans is a dead franchise. Characters too old to be doing the same things they did before, but also they can never fully join or step over the Justice League. They are stuck. The books will still sell decent but it will never be a comic that will satisfy people. Too many readers what to see different things. Some want to read about Dick's generation, others want to read about Tim's generation, and some even want to read about Damian's new generation. Some want to see Dick's gen move on from the franchise and change focus to the younger heroes, and others want to see Dick's gen play babysitter and watch over the younger generation. Some want to see them work with the Justice League and others want to see them be completely independent. It is a mess.

The X-Men have a consistent central theme to all their stories. It is about the Mutans and their struggle, but the Titans don't have a central theme. The closest they have to one is "young heroes teaming up and learning to be heroes together", but as you add more and more older Titans characters you lose that theme I feel. I think the only way for the franchise to have some massive revival is if DC rebooted completely and Dick is Robin again. I think the franchise is in too much of a mess and the story potential is too thin to have a massive revival as things are now.

A dead franchise doesn't have two currently successful t.v. shows and one upcoming animated film that people are looking forward to.

[Korath]

A dead franchise doesn't have two currently successful t.v. shows and one upcoming animated film that people are looking forward to.

And how many of those are actually new stories ?

I like the Titan tv shows but lest be honest : it's retreading the same ground as every Titan story since NTT. As for Young Justice, it is certainly large and bold, and steeped into Titan mythos. But it's often at the cost of older heroes. The Justice League is basically absent from the show and even former members such as Kaldur (Aquaman II) aren't exactly at the forefront nowadays.

[Godlike13]

It shouldn't necessarily be about giving readers what they want, but giving them what they didn't know they wanted. Unfortunately DC gets what they give. When you put on mediocre talent that just go through the motions, don't be surprised when you get mediocre results. Its hard to say its dead franchise when its DC that stopped really even trying. When they do things with Titans people still show up. Its just so poorly supported from them. Not too unlike the X-Men these past years when Fox had their rights.

[Agent Z]

And how many of those are actually new stories ?

I like the Titan tv shows but lest be honest : it's retreading the same ground as every Titan story since NTT. As for Young Justice, it is certainly large and bold, and steeped into Titan mythos. But it's often at the cost of older heroes. The Justice League is basically absent from the show and even former members such as Kaldur (Aquaman II) aren't exactly at the forefront nowadays.

How many adaptations these days are of new stories?

It's a story focusing on younger heroes. Of course the League won't have much of a role. It's like complaining about the lack of Titans characters in a Justice League show or movie.

[Badou]

A dead franchise doesn't have two currently successful t.v. shows and one upcoming animated film that people are looking forward to.

Those are different than comics. They are the focus of their universe and the sole property in that universe. They aren't competing against other franchises and properties for importance, but they will never be the focus in the comics over the bigger teams and characters. The comics Titans property is essentially a dead end creatively with how things are now. Did DC promote some important new Titans comic off the back of the live action series? No, they cancelled the book, shot Dick in the head, killed Roy, and tanked Wally's character. This is all the property is worth to DC now.

And I said the comics will still sell fine because it is a known IP with characters people like, and the other media will do fine as well, but the comics I don't see any path to some massive revival of the franchise. What it is now is what it will continue to be.

[Godlike13]

Those are different than comics. They are the focus of their universe and the sole property in that universe. They aren't competing against other franchises and properties for importance, but they will never be the focus in the comics over the bigger teams and characters. The comics Titans property is essentially a dead end creatively with how things are now. Did DC promote some important new Titans comic off the back of the live action series? No, they cancelled the book, shot Dick in the head, killed Roy, and tanked Wally's character. This is all the property is worth to DC now.

And I said the comics will still sell fine because it is a known IP with characters people like, and the other media will do fine as well, but the comics I don't see any path to some massive revival of the franchise. What it is now is what it will continue to be.

Dead franchises don't sell fine, they don't have characters people like, and they don't expand into other media with TV shows. For a franchise and IP these are things they strive for, and Titans has it. Problem is there a different thoughts when it comes to the Titans. Parts of DC see Titans as a known IP with characters people like and want to expand on that into other media, other parts see the Titans as a threat and don't want it to actually succeed. Thats the problem. When Fox had the rights to X-Men they had this same problem, but now Marvel has the rights back and X-Men are seeing real support again.

[Green Goblin of Sector 2814]

Those are different than comics. They are the focus of their universe and the sole property in that universe. They aren't competing against other franchises and properties for importance, but they will never be the focus in the comics over the bigger teams and characters. The comics Titans property is essentially a dead end creatively with how things are now. Did DC promote some important new Titans comic off the back of the live action series? No, they cancelled the book, shot Dick in the head, killed Roy, and tanked Wally's character. This is all the property is worth to DC now.

And I said the comics will still sell fine because it is a known IP with characters people like, and the other media will do fine as well, but the comics I don't see any path to some massive revival of the franchise. What it is now is what it will continue to be.

I'm gonna side with Agent Z and Sam on this one. I mean, in the 60s, DC thought Batman was a dead franchise and then the Adam West TV show came along. And heck, some people thought the same thing about the X-Men and Fantastic Four not so long ago. Marvel even killed of both Cyclops and Professor X and sent Reed and Sue away into the multiverse.

However, I agree with you as well. As things stand now, it would be hard to pull off a revival, hence why I have multiple steps. Though, that's not because people aren't interested in the franchise or because it's beyond saving. Its more so because there are certain people working at DC at the moment that don't want to see the franchise doing well and who have a vendetta against the characters. If those people left DC tomorrow, the Titans would stand a much better chance at a comeback.

[Robotman]

I honestly don't think anything can be done. I think the Titans is a dead franchise. Characters too old to be doing the same things they did before, but also they can never fully join or step over the Justice League. They are stuck. The books will still sell decent but it will never be a comic that will satisfy people. Too many readers what to see different things. Some want to read about Dick's generation, others want to read about Tim's generation, and some even want to read about Damian's new generation. Some want to see Dick's gen move on from the franchise and change focus to the younger heroes, and others want to see Dick's gen play babysitter and watch over the younger generation. Some want to see them work with the Justice League and others want to see them be completely independent. It is a mess.

The X-Men have a consistent central theme to all their stories. It is about the Mutans and their struggle, but the Titans don't have a central theme. The closest they have to one is "young heroes teaming up and learning to be heroes together", but as you add more and more older Titans characters you lose that theme I feel. I think the only way for the franchise to have some massive revival is if DC rebooted completely and Dick is Robin again. I think the franchise is in too much of a mess and the story potential is too thin to have a massive revival as things are now.

A dead franchise? It’s one of DC’s most well known properties. What was the central theme of the Teen Titans animated series or Young Justice? Young heroes teaming up to fight crime. It doesn’t need to have some deep motivation like X Men. There are always going to be teen heroes. These teens/kids want to team up with their peers to learn from each other and to just be around people with shared experiences. It doesn’t need to be that complicated. They’re never going to be the Justice League the same way Young Avengers or The Runaways will never be the Avengers, but there is still potential for a great story.

I think a lot of people are just overthinking it. To me, the Justice League always seems like coworkers while the Titans seemed like family.

[warzon]

I also made a suggestion that they can have 1 book give it the name TITANS=NATIONAL GUARD.have them be like the cartoon Justice League Unlimited and the original Justice League of America book that had a 16 member team and the cast would rotate per mission.or even the name Team Titans could work again.1 book 3 different teams.Titans alpha/Titans omega/Titans vega which would be a team in space.and before and one say it's easier to write smaller teams let me be the 1st to say Legion of Super Heroes have had the largest cast in comic history and writers did the characters right.

[Badou]

A dead franchise? It’s one of DC’s most well known properties. What was the central theme of the Teen Titans animated series or Young Justice? Young heroes teaming up to fight crime. It doesn’t need to have some deep motivation like X Men. There are always going to be teen heroes. These teens/kids want to team up with their peers to learn from each other and to just be around people with shared experiences. It doesn’t need to be that complicated. They’re never going to be the Justice League the same way Young Avengers or The Runaways will never be the Avengers, but there is still potential for a great story.

I think a lot of people are just overthinking it. To me, the Justice League always seems like coworkers while the Titans seemed like family.

The problem we get into is when those teen heroes grow up but are still stuck doing the same things they did when they were teens. This has been the main roadblock the franchise has faced. Do they continue to try and focus on these older adult Titans or do they keep focus on the young heroes?

Back in the 80s when the Titans were at their peak Dick's generation didn't have all these other younger generations behind him. They were the youngest heroes so they weren't having to compete with the JL characters. Then in the 00s when Johns had his revival Tim's generation was the youngest and they were now the focus. Now there is a generation forming after Tim's and it is Damian's. So do they shift focus on these new young heroes and make them the centerpiece of the franchise going forward? But what do you do with Dick's generation now that they are 2 generations removed from being the youngest and are now adults the same as the JL characters?

[Restingvoice]

I think a lot of people are just overthinking it. To me, the Justice League always seems like coworkers while the Titans seemed like family.

This is the most obvious branding, the problem is, current DC is not interested in family. When Tomasi wanted to make a Superman issue about the family, editorial came back with "where are the villains". It's not impossible since Tomasi manages to make a story about the family while fighting villains, but you have to fullfill that criterion.
DC's way of thinking when it comes to branding from what I've seen is who has what abilities does what versus who.

The problem we get into is when those teen heroes grow up but are still stuck doing the same things they did when they were teens. This has been the main roadblock the franchise has faced. Do they continue to try and focus on these older adult Titans or do they keep focus on the young heroes?

Back in the 80s when the Titans were at their peak Dick's generation didn't have all these other younger generations behind him. They were the youngest heroes so they weren't having to compete with the JL characters. Then in the 00s when Johns had his revival Tim's generation was the youngest and they were now the focus. Now there is a generation forming after Tim's and it is Damian's. So do they shift focus on these new young heroes and make them the centerpiece of the franchise going forward? But what do you do with Dick's generation now that they are 2 generations removed from being the youngest and are now adults the same as the JL characters?

and here's another problem. DC treats Titans the same way they treat Robin and Batgirl. Whoever holds the famous branding is the one getting promoted. First Dick's Titans, then Tim's Titans and now Damian's Titans. Currently, Tim escapes that by the return of Young Justice by a star writer, but let's just say Bendis didn't come, Damian's Titans is still gonna be the main focus, especially with Dick and his Titans gone.

We need that differentiation, not for our benefit, because we fans know the difference between those characters, but to pass editorial and to sell it to people who don't know