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    Quote Originally Posted by Silvermoth View Post
    Why do some straight blokes love lesbian porn but hate gay people? Hate makes no sense
    I can relate to that, minus the gay hate.

    The reason is that hate is fear, and fear isn't rational.

    It doesn't matter what the explanation about just hating mutants is, its not logical and in this world we wouldn't make a difference between X-Men and Fantastic Four when it comes to love or hate.

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    I mean come on - you classify a group of people as being Homo-SUPERIOR, you pretty much invite everyone NOT in that group to be resentful.
    Pretty much. The whole "We are a new and invasive species, Interspecies Conflict is inevitable "we intend to replace you within X-years".

    Its not about petty jealousy or anger or any of the things that hate in the real world would be about... except for "FEAR" the first representative of a very real
    and dangerous group declare war on humanity.

    Kind of getting off on the wrong foot.
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    flawed premise. they do discriminate against mutates. but the government actually sanctioned the use of propaganda against mutants. they gave them the "criminals and rapists" treatment. the other heroes didn't experience this until after Stamford. remember that Johnny Storm was put in the hospital because of anti-superhuman sentiment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Watkins View Post
    flawed premise. they do discriminate against mutates. but the government actually sanctioned the use of propaganda against mutants. they gave them the "criminals and rapists" treatment. the other heroes didn't experience this until after Stamford. remember that Johnny Storm was put in the hospital because of anti-superhuman sentiment.
    Huh. I do vaguely remember that... can you hit me with a reference book?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight_v View Post
    Huh. I do vaguely remember that... can you hit me with a reference book?


    I believe this is from Civil War no. 1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight_v View Post
    Huh. I do vaguely remember that... can you hit me with a reference book?
    it was that first issue of Civil War, if you're talking about Johnny. he was out on a date. some people started lumping him in with the new warriors. Johnny (and it made him look real bad) started trying to distance himself from the Warriors and got hit upside the head with a glass bottle.

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    Mutants are the next step of human evolution and are considered the replacement of normal humans.

    Lots of people fear change and fear being replaced.

    Humans in the marvel universe do live a world in which a space rock or experiment or encounter with a magical being can give them superpowers. Even just some advanced technology can give them powers so their hate for mutants is irrational in a sense.
    Quote Originally Posted by DanMad1977 View Post
    The reason is that hate is fear, and fear isn't rational.

    It doesn't matter what the explanation about just hating mutants is, its not logical and in this world we wouldn't make a difference between X-Men and Fantastic Four when it comes to love or hate.
    Yep.

    We have plenty of irrational bigotry in the real world that doesn't make sense if you think about it.

    Even some racists make exclusions on individual minorities they personally know while still hating people of the same ethnic background as a whole. The old "one of the good ones" exception.

    Prejudice and discrimination can be highly irrational.

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    all I know is if a group of pretty people suddenly developed: psychic power, magnetism, super strength, super speed, weather manipulation and whatever other universal destroying power the X-men have. The last thing any sensible person would do is try to publicly ostracize or exterminate them. Unless they've gotten Sentinels already geared up and ready to go it would be subtle.
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    'It's an irrational hate based on the fear of humanity being replaced'

    Is probably the best answer, most mutates were normal humans who had an accident/did some science/ran into some aliens...etc. Flukes that aren't going to represent the end of the world as the general public knows it.

    Magneto and other mutant terrorists don't help matters. Yes there are non mutant super villains but that's more of a human looking to rule/dominate/exploit other humans, which has going on throughout recorded history vs another species looking to drive them to extinction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Random4 View Post
    Why are people like Logan and Cyclops seen as other, but Spider-man and Hulk are not, on a practical level you wouldn't differentiate between all 4. You wouldn't know 2 are mutants and 2 are mutates.
    Have you ever actually read a Marvel comic?
    Who said Spider-man and Hulk aren't treated as "other"?
    Part of the whole foundation of the post Golden Age and Captain America) Marvel U, that somewhat distinguished it from DC, was while at DC all the heroes were still celebrated, at Marvel they were often treated as freaks and pariahs.
    This goes to the root of the whole companies approach and what from the start made it different from DC .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keyotheseasons View Post


    I believe this is from Civil War no. 1
    The annoying thing about that to me is that those idiots would only try that because DEEP DOWN they're smart enough to know that Johnny Storm isn't a monster and wouldn't fight back.

    I know dam well if that were Green Goblin or Sabretooth or some other actual villain, they wouldn't have the guts to try that.

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    Mutants are an evolutionary threat. The next species that will overtake humans. It has been referenced in the comics with a comment about what the first neanderthal said to the last cro magnon...or something along those lines.

    But there has never been an argument back that they were primitive tribes fighting over resources...Mutants and Humans are modern species who can cohabitate and share resources by working together.

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    Hulk has been seen as a rampaging monster since day one. Spider-Man is considered a menace to some (JJJ spent years in the comics leading a hate campaign against Spider-Man in the press).

    People have legit reasons to not like Wolverine and Cyclops.

    Wolverine spent decades working for shady government departments on black ops missions. Logan murdered and maimed people. In some of the older X-Men comics he could be a violent impulsive guy that would stab someone if they ticked him off. He has a creepy obsession with Jean Grey is
    a borderline stalker at times.

    Cyclops went full mutant revolutionary for a while as leader, the whole phoenix force fiasco and basically repeatedly warned non-mutants he would kick their ass if they keep messing with mutants which is going to rile up bigots even more.
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    Mutates tend to be one-offs so they feel more novel.

    Mutants are the replacement that could pop up anywhere.

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    Because they fear mutants will replace them. Unlike other supers who get powers from random accidents or aliens, mutants aren’t a one time thing. People don’t fear the The Fantastic 4 because they are limited in number. Mutants aren’t like that.

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