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[Harpsikord]

Yeah I get that. You’re peppering Rachel with the best Hope bits, which is certainly the best way to go. Using Rachel as a significant player in AvX would’ve been interesting, I just can’t with gun-toting surly kids y’know?

I don't know if she'd use guns, to be fair! I feel like she'd be super physical, like the way that I defined changing Rachel's powers to tactile, maybe.

And then all the trash with Cable and Bishop. I don’t know if I’ll have energy to rehab that. I want to excise most of the last two decades. I’m so old.

This is a fair point and honestly the idea of a character chasing them through the timestream is great but I don't know if Lucas is it. If we have to ruin a character, let it be Sage or someone equally worthless.

[CRaymond]

Ahab, obviously.

Does Rachel have to be a baby? Can she just be herself, on the run thru the timestream with Bishop and Magik?

I’d pepper Betsy with bits of Sage, actually. Tessa’s history as a spy lines up with Betsy’s time with STRIKE.

[Harpsikord]

Ahab, obviously.

Oh that's good, I don't know why I didn't think of it.

Does Rachel have to be a baby? Can she just be herself, on the run thru the timestream with Bishop and Magik?

I do think that she has to start out as a baby but there's some wiggle room as to when this Rachel gets the memories of her DOFP counterpart. Maybe DOFP Rachel never goes to space and replaces Rogue in Messiah Complex, and more or less merges with her baby self when they touch instead of Rogue's coma being cured. Also, Magik and Bishop can come along, but I also feel like she has to be raised by Nathan. I love the dichotomy of Mother Askani helping Nate mature and then Nate helping Rachel to mature (again.)

I’d pepper Betsy with bits of Sage, actually. Tessa’s history as a spy lines up with Betsy’s time with STRIKE.

This... I can be okay with. It also helps that the Braddock's have Hellfire history.

[CRaymond]

What if Ahab’s captured baby Rachel from the 811 time-stream, and drops it in 616 present like a bomb? Maybe 811 is a messy timestream with potholes instead of pavement. Accidents happen. Time starts collapsing like HoM, and Rachel has to escort herself-as-a-baby thru time? I worry about introducing alt-Rachels willy-nilly. I don’t know, ignore me. I spent a few months ago plotting a Phoenix Saga Broadway Musical. I wish my job used more of my brains.

[Harpsikord]

What if Ahab’s captured baby Rachel from the 811 time-stream, and drops it in 616 present like bomb? Time starts collapsing like HoM, and Rachel has to escort herself-as-a-baby thru time? I worry about introducing alt-Rachels willy-nilly. I don’t know, ignore me. I spent a few months ago plotting a Phoenix Saga Broadway Musical. I wish my job used more of my brains.

I can understand that, but that's also why I suggested that the baby and Rachel merge. That leaves behind the idea of there only being one, true Rachel in the sense that Claremont introduced it during his Reboot era run. I can dig the baby bomb idea and time collapsing in on itself, but I really like the idea of Cable and maybe a ragtag group going through time to protect Rachel from Ahab and/or whoever else.

[CRaymond]

This might be controversial, but I can’t stand Cable. He was a shot of new blood for the New Mutants, juiced them up with 90s testosterone, and went thru more character changes than what should be allowed.

I don’t mind hardasses from the future as a trope, but the shenanigans to build him up as a central X character always fall flat and end up returning to his introduction: gruff, heavily-armed time traveller, ie soulless trope. It’s why he works so well with Deadpool, whose entire character is irreverence.

I’ve been trying hard to merge Cable with Bishop. It’s just coming out a completely new character.

[CuteNimrod]

I would erase Maddie, completely. She just didn't exist. Jean came back to life, married and had a kid with Cyclops that could be either Rachel or Cable.
I would also merge Bishop and Cable, one is okay but both feel redundant tending a little more to keep Cable given his familiar connection that I enjoy.
Hope and Rachel fill some similar spots. I would merge them too, leaving just Rachel as Jean's kid or Hope as Cable's kid but not both.

[Killerbee911]

This might be controversial, but I can’t stand Cable. He was a shot of new blood for the New Mutants, juiced them up with 90s testosterone, and went thru more character changes than what should be allowed.

I don’t mind hardasses from the future as a trope, but the shenanigans to build him up as a central X character always fall flat and end up returning to his introduction: gruff, heavily-armed time traveller, ie soulless trope. It’s why he works so well with Deadpool, whose entire character is irreverence.

I’ve been trying hard to merge Cable with Bishop. It’s just coming out a completely new character.

The key to Cable and Bishop merging isn't the characters but futures. Cable future and Bishop Future should be one thing. Then why Cable and Bishop are similar make sense so much that Cable and Bishop would be good friends and partners in the XSE/Resistance,they would come back through time to stop Fitzroy. And Cable would go rogue in the past obviously because his background being Jean/Scott son sent to the future he sees being in the past as a chance to fix things. Bishop wouldn't know that would think that Cable is a bad guy. That would create a Cable/Bishop conflict that would lead us up to the "Hope" thing. The Hope stuff makes more sense with both of them trying to defend the same future in a different way. Something like that would work I think.

[CRaymond]

Oh yeah absolutely. Trying, in vain, to compress all the wildly different future dystopias into one. Hadn’t really considered Cable and Bishop being buddy cops.

People get TIRED of timetravel stories and I can’t blame them. Timetravel is about anxiety and regret, and that’s a brand pillar for X-Men. I think it’s lost it’s teeth.

My goal was to get Bishop/Cable, Ahab + Hounds, OG Nimrod, Rachel Summers, and Fitzroy to all be from the same devastated DOFP hellscape. It’s a daunting challenge, and its first act is where I found the idea of replacing Kitty with Rogue in almost everything. I’m full of blue decongestants, so I’ll see you all in the morning.

[phoenixzero23]

I will just merge all the Summer brothers in one character and delete corsair or at least his connection with Cyclops. Just leave Scott as an orphan boy.

X-man and Cable have very different personalities but at the same time they are the same person. Just leave Cable and maybe make him a little more like X-man in some small details.

All of the Jean derivated characters have things that i love. Rachel, Maddie, Hope, i wouldn't like them erased but something could be done with their similarities. I would make Jean and Maddie the same person. Maddie could be just Jean's reincarnation with amnesia and when she got her memories back she returned to be Jean Grey.

[GodfatherIV]

I think merging the Summs brothers and just powering Cyclops is a great idea.

As for part of the other discussion. I agree mostly. I actually hate time travel stories and even though Days Of Future Past was done pretty well....Ive always leaned to making that while thing just be a vision that Destiny had in which she disagreed with Mystique's plan to assassinate Kelly and decides to employ the help of Xmen by planting that vision in Rachels mind. I guess if Rachel had a hound background established already in somewhere like Genosha maybe this could work.

Bishop is the only one I could have maybe coming from the future but it would have been a one way trip. I even thought that maybe he should come from some other country or a hidden Shiar planet or something instead of the future. Maybe its a place thats shut off from the world where the Sentinels ruled and were overthrown but he grew up in a mutant concentration camp and all. In fact in that type of scenario maybe Bishop seeks to investigate and root out the cause of the Emplate virus which ravages his country or city or whatever and also took his sister. This brings him into contact with the Xmen or Generation X or the New Mutants in the sense that he tracks the virus and finds Emplate's sister Monet, he wants to take her down but is drawn to her this also brings him into contact with the Xmen who he grew up hearing stories about.

Those time travel stories just never have appealed to me because it gets just too messy. In fact when it comes to Xmen a few things have sunk them in history as far as quality of stories. Too many redundant characters. Too much character death. Time Travel. And too much Phoenix have been my issues with the Xmen. Also an over reliance on magical mystical stuff in the way they use it has been somewhat of an issue.

As far as Hope. Simply making her the 1st mutant birn after the Decimation could be interesting especially if some felt she was treated by many as a "messiah" and others as the devil so to speak. Add to that maybe having some mutant precog "see" multiple futures perhaps one as a savior of mutants or destroyer of humankind or whatever may accomplish highlighted some if the more interesting aspects of Hope.

[GodfatherIV]

Lets see clean up


Gambit & Longshot-Two charisma heavy acrobatic white males who throw stuff. Seems like a easy merge

Storm & Polaris- Polaris in X-men history holds the spot they would probably rather Storm in that place . This merge isn't about common things but more just clean up. Magneto being Storm father adds in the classic X-men messiness and would explain the hair color. Also both Storm and Polaris wear capes and headpieces.

Jubilee & Dazzler- These guys powers together kinda makes sense and Jubilee could be become a K-pop star or something.

So yeah. My mind is kinda blown with the Storm and Polaris thing. At 1st Im like wtf!! But then again its not out of the realm of possibility.

Just playing on it for a second...Storm's mother Ndare could still be a princess from a tribe in Kenya. If I remember correctly she married an American photographer or journalist (not sure) and they moved the New York. Now in some tribes marrying outside of the tribe whether to another race or not is frowned on. Also at times there is a stigma that comes with being an American in certain places. I say that to say Ndare being with an outsider whether it be an African American or Jewish person could be viewed in the same light by her tribe. Again this is playing into some of the themes in Xmen.

Now that said remember when Magneto was doing undercover work for Isreal and hunting down Nazi's turning them over...also his early stuff with Xavier in I believe Egypt its easily concievable that he could have come across Ndare around this time. Much like how he lost his 1st daughter, he could have married or at least been with Ndare and moved to New York or even stayed in Africa having been discovered as a double agent his house could have been bombed killing Ndare and trapping Ororo under tye rubble with her mom's body. Erik could've been so distraught over what looks like a repeat of the death of Anya that he goes off not realizing Ororo is still alive.

It does set up quite a bit in the Xavier-Magneto conflict but also with Storms feelings toward Magneto in that it seems he left her and his actions caused tge death if her mom and set in motion her growing up on the streets..... I mean its a leap but man could that work!! And Im definitely all about trimming things down. Giving Polaris' biggest stories to Storm would only enrich her character even more while adding some huge dramatic moments in her life. Im not 100% onboard because my small mind is still trying to piece it all together but that something huge.

[Killerbee911]

So yeah. My mind is kinda blown with the Storm and Polaris thing. At 1st Im like wtf!! But then again its not out of the realm of possibility.

Just playing on it for a second...Storm's mother Ndare could still be a princess from a tribe in Kenya. If I remember correctly she married an American photographer or journalist (not sure) and they moved the New York. Now in some tribes marrying outside of the tribe whether to another race or not is frowned on. Also at times there is a stigma that comes with being an American in certain places. I say that to say Ndare being with an outsider whether it be an African American or Jewish person could be viewed in the same light by her tribe. Again this is playing into some of the themes in Xmen.

Now that said remember when Magneto was doing undercover work for Isreal and hunting down Nazi's turning them over...also his early stuff with Xavier in I believe Egypt its easily concievable that he could have come across Ndare around this time. Much like how he lost his 1st daughter, he could have married or at least been with Ndare and moved to New York or even stayed in Africa having been discovered as a double agent his house could have been bombed killing Ndare and trapping Ororo under tye rubble with her mom's body. Erik could've been so distraught over what looks like a repeat of the death of Anya that he goes off not realizing Ororo is still alive.

It does set up quite a bit in the Xavier-Magneto conflict but also with Storms feelings toward Magneto in that it seems he left her and his actions caused tge death if her mom and set in motion her growing up on the streets..... I mean its a leap but man could that work!! And Im definitely all about trimming things down. Giving Polaris' biggest stories to Storm would only enrich her character even more while adding some huge dramatic moments in her life. Im not 100% onboard because my small mind is still trying to piece it all together but that something huge.

It is fun combo I think making Polaris and Storm them actually fit together could be as hard what you are suggesting. Or as simple making Magneto an African Man who survived fictional genocide event in Africa. And that makes the civil rights mutant metaphor a tad more interesting with one of founders of each side also a racial minority. And for this topic that means merging Magneto with Moses Magnum.

[GodfatherIV]

It is fun combo I think making Polaris and Storm them actually fit together could be as hard what you are suggesting. Or as simple making Magneto an African Man who survived fictional genocide event in Africa. And that makes the civil rights mutant metaphor a tad more interesting with one of founders of each side also a racial minority. And for this topic that means merging Magneto with Moses Magnum.

Yeah its interesting. And....making Magneto an African man...how dare you sir!! Nay I say Nay!! Lmao....nah but the idea of merging Magneto and Moses Magnum just based on personality a d character progression is not far fetched at all. But i dont know

[HomoSuperior]

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