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    Question Who remembers Secret Wars?

    I understand that, because of the whole cosmic retcon, Miles Morales does not remember the Ultimate universe, and thinks that he had always lived in 616. That causes a lot of inconsistencies, plot holes and things that make little sense, but let's leave them aside for now. My questions are:
    * Does Miles Morales remember the Secret Wars? Does he remember his intervention in the New York domain?
    * Who else remembers Secret Wars? Does Doom remember it? Do the members of Doom's royal court (Strange, Sue Storm, Valeria, etc) remember the things they did under his rule? Do the Cabal and the heroes from the other ship remember it?
    * Even more, the end of Secret Wars go back to the begining event of New Avengers, this time without the incursions. Does the retcon include Hickman's own runs in New Avengers and Avengers as well? Do the heroes remember the incursions, and the Illuminati destroying worlds, or did that whole thing been erased from history by the outcome of Secret Wars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimate Captain America View Post
    * Who else remembers Secret Wars? Does Doom remember it? Do the members of Doom's royal court (Strange, Sue Storm, Valeria, etc) remember the things they did under his rule?
    Doom's royal court outside of Dr Strange were not "our" Sue, Valeria, ect. They were althernate dimension.

    T'challa explicitly remembers everything. He has stated it more than once. Including using the reality gem to bring it all back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindofShadow View Post
    Doom's royal court outside of Dr Strange were not "our" Sue, Valeria, ect. They were althernate dimension.

    T'challa explicitly remembers everything. He has stated it more than once. Including using the reality gem to bring it all back.

    So who recreated everything, T’Challa with the reality gem, or Reed Richards with Beyonders power?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackolover View Post
    So who recreated everything, T’Challa with the reality gem, or Reed Richards with Beyonders power?
    I don't think T'Challa recreated EVERYTHING. It is possible he re-created the 616 universe... in the LEAST he tweaked the timeline a little bit. But he didn't recreate the entire multiverse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    I don't think T'Challa recreated EVERYTHING. It is possible he re-created the 616 universe... in the LEAST he tweaked the timeline a little bit. But he didn't recreate the entire multiverse.
    Is this confirmed, that T’Challa re-created just the 616? Where is this stated? Would Reed Richards address this when he came back? It’s a curious revelation that Black Panther controls the 616 by his world view and not Reed. You get no indication of this in Ultimates when it first started that Panther was happily confirming his 616.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindofShadow View Post
    Doom's royal court outside of Dr Strange were not "our" Sue, Valeria, ect. They were althernate dimension.
    During Secret Wars, Dr. Strange remembers the world from before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimate Captain America View Post
    During Secret Wars, Dr. Strange remembers the world from before.
    Yeah, that was 616 Strange. He had been with Doom and Owen Reece at the end and Doom made him his right hand, basically.

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    I remember Secret Wars. Good times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ARkadelphia View Post
    I remember Secret Wars. Good times.
    It was a fun time!

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    The obvious one is Ms. Marvel and all of the people around her. The notion that the battle in New York was forgotten is nonsense. What people don’t remember is how everything got resolved. They remember the big fights and the catastrophic events and then suddenly everything seemed fine. That has lead to confusion and thinking the incursions were either made up or illusory in some way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimate Captain America View Post
    I understand that, because of the whole cosmic retcon, Miles Morales does not remember the Ultimate universe, and thinks that he had always lived in 616. That causes a lot of inconsistencies, plot holes and things that make little sense, but let's leave them aside for now. My questions are:
    * Does Miles Morales remember the Secret Wars? Does he remember his intervention in the New York domain?
    * Who else remembers Secret Wars? Does Doom remember it? Do the members of Doom's royal court (Strange, Sue Storm, Valeria, etc) remember the things they did under his rule? Do the Cabal and the heroes from the other ship remember it?
    * Even more, the end of Secret Wars go back to the begining event of New Avengers, this time without the incursions. Does the retcon include Hickman's own runs in New Avengers and Avengers as well? Do the heroes remember the incursions, and the Illuminati destroying worlds, or did that whole thing been erased from history by the outcome of Secret Wars?
    I think the only people who actually remember Secret Wars were the people on the Life Rafts (and Doom of course). Everyone else was basically dead. We saw other versions of those characters, but not the 616 versions. As far as everyone else was concerned the last incursion was stopped by some sort of sacrifice by Reed Richards and the future foudnation. Everything up to that did happen and everyone remembers it.

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    I think only the Time Runs Out arc was rolled back, and everything before that, and the Last Days arcs in the various solo books, were not. So yeah, they remember the Incursions, but they think the Fantastic Four solved them.

    The Sue and Val in Doom's court were recreations (this Val was Doom's daughter, not Reed's), not the originals, so no, they don't have the memories. Only Reed remembers, of the F4, since he was on the Liferaft. Miles does in fact remember Ultimate as stated in Spider-Men II. When he told Gwenpool he didn't remember in her book, he was lying.
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    What about Captain America? He was among the Illuminati, they mindwiped him to destroy worlds if needed without his speeches, but he eventually remembered it and goes after them, blaming them for the destruction of other worlds. Nowadays, they are just partners in the Avengers again. What caused him to turn the page on that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimate Captain America View Post
    What about Captain America? He was among the Illuminati, they mindwiped him to destroy worlds if needed without his speeches, but he eventually remembered it and goes after them, blaming them for the destruction of other worlds. Nowadays, they are just partners in the Avengers again. What caused him to turn the page on that?
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    Wasn't there some speculation on that in the early Ultimates (Post secret wars team that is) by Blue Marvel that he knew the universe had been re-created somehow?
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