View Poll Results: Who is Iron Man’s archenemy?

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  • The Mandarin still

    25 47.17%
  • Iron Monger

    2 3.77%
  • Ezekiel Stane

    1 1.89%
  • Madame Masque

    2 3.77%
  • Someone else

    8 15.09%
  • He has none

    14 26.42%
  • His real archnemesis is yet to be revealed

    1 1.89%
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelC View Post
    There's also the fact that Stark, by his very nature, is a character about balancing responsibility and hubris. Those characters often don't have arch-enemies.
    I doubt that. Like RDJ's Tony Stark balances responsibilities and hubris yet Thanos is clearly his arch-enemy.

    In the comics, Tony Stark hasn't always had a consistent and clearly defined personality, i.e. the idea between responsibility and hubris. David Michelinie wrote Tony Stark as a self-destructive rich alcoholic, not a futurist dude. Even then Justin Hammer was his arch-enemy. Warren Ellis introduced the idea of Tony as this futurist, and yeah Tony in Extremis doesn't need an arch-enemy, but Millar took the futurist Tony under his wing in CIVIL WAR and made Cap his Arch-Enemy which continued until Hickman's New Avengers where Time Runs Out ends with Tony and Cap duking it out while the final incursion hits.

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    Mandarin only became Iron Man's arch-nemesis because he got stuck with the lore. A magical villain for a technological hero is pretty weird. Stane and Hammer were better matches.
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    I think there is a good point to made of Tony Stark's greatest enemy often being himself. Tony Stark has a habit of directly or indirectly helping create problems for himself.

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    We all know what his true archenemy is, how could we forget?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triniking1234 View Post
    Mandarin only became Iron Man's arch-nemesis because he got stuck with the lore. A magical villain for a technological hero is pretty weird. Stane and Hammer were better matches.
    Magical is inaccurate. He's a jack-of-all-trades villain who blends money, science, mysticism, martial arts, political manipulation, and mundane military force to achieve his ends. In some ways he's like a supervillain-level version of an Indiana Jones villain. Indiana Jones villains acquire magical items or alien science, but they are fundamentally conquerors and exploiters, not wizards. The Mandarin embodies war and conquest and colonialism and exploitation, which makes him the perfect foil for a former arms dealer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triniking1234 View Post
    Mandarin only became Iron Man's arch-nemesis because he got stuck with the lore. A magical villain for a technological hero is pretty weird. Stane and Hammer were better matches.
    Mandarin isn't really a magic villain. Mandarin is like Doctor Doom in that he is skilled in mysticism and science.

    Mandarin mastered the alien Makluan race technology (same race as Fin Fang Foom) which is the technology his rings came from.

    In most of Mandarin's early stories he employed technological means for his plots. Mandarin launched his own death ray satellites that he aimed at Stark Industries and used teleportation technology derived from Makluan technology to pop up anywhere or kidnap people.

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    Iron man doesn't have many recurring villains.

    We typically say Mandarin since he's the one that has appeared in more stuff. It is good content, but he's gained the title much in the same way Ghidorah does, he's just appeared more. That's not a knock against Iron man or Mandarin, but the book just isn't normally structured for your typical superhero fare. Villains constantly die or get replaced well into the modern age and Tony's stories are built more on how to approach a problem more than it is just hitting it. It's part of why Iron man can be difficult to write.
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    The Mandarian, ruck synergy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digifiend View Post
    Madame Masque is Kate Bishop's archenemy nowadays. They're actually doppelgangers now.
    Has she told Bishop that she is the greatest enemy she has ever faced and that she is the greatest Hawkeye ever?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chamber-music View Post
    Mandarin is like Doctor Doom in that he is skilled in mysticism and science.
    Yes, though with the key difference that learning dark wizardry is an extension of Doom's hubris, whereas studying chi-mysticism is an extension of the Mandarin's wrath.

    Doom is the sort of character who constantly delves into Secrets Man Was Not Meant To Know. And like the character in a Call of Chthulu story, he's always on the verge of being sucked into Hell or going mad. Scientific secrets Man Was Not Meant to Know, magical secrets Man Was Not Meant to Know, it doesn't matter, he wants all the knowledge. Dark wizardry is an extension of that, a source of knowledge and power lesser men fear to look upon.

    The Mandarin is the sort of character who wants to dominate utterly both as a conqueror and as a martial artist. He wants to march his armies over the world and rip its greatest warriors limb from limb with his bare hands and be congratulated for it by his obedient harem-girls. Chi-mysticism is an extension of that, because it allows him to punch harder, so hard even superhumanly durable foes are reduced to blood showering him in glory.

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    Nobody has really taken the time to develop a villain and their enmity with Tony enough to replace Mandarin.
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    Iron Man's biggest stories like Civil War and Time Runs Out has him look at Captain America as his Arch Enemy.
    I wouldn't say they're archenemies. They're great friends who ended up in deep ideological conflicts with each other.

    I'd say they're more archrivals then anything.
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    Madame Masque is Kate Bishop's archenemy nowadays. They're actually doppelgangers now.
    I don't think she's a serious nemesis for Kate. It's more just kind of light and petty.

    (Didn't Kate's mom force her to go back to her old body?)
    Quote Originally Posted by chamber-music View Post
    I think there is a good point to made of Tony Stark's greatest enemy often being himself. Tony Stark has a habit of directly or indirectly helping create problems for himself.
    Isn't that true for every Marvel hero ?

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    Thanos was MCU Tony’s arch-nemesis.

    As for comic, it’s definitely the mandarin, although he needs modernising more these days.
    Bendis and now Slott have really tried to make it Ultron, though.

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    Starks rogues aren't great, but most are tied to the soviet union so its going to happen

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    The Mandarin is till Iron Man's top tier foe.
    The MCU is just using Shang-Chi as a vehicle to course correct the Mandarin legacy within the film universe.

    Think of it this way. Is the fact that Norman Osborne was Iron Patriot taking away from his status as Spider-mans Top Tier foe? It's not.
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    who considers Stark to be their archenemy? he's a worthy rival of anyone.

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