The Penance Stare vs these guys

[k von doom]

The Penance Stare is one of the more unique powers out there. If Ghost Rider (Danny Ketch) was able to get hold of these guys and use the Penance Stare on them, what would hypothetically happen?

- Joker
- Dr Doom
- Doomsday
- Beta Ray Bill
- Adam Warlock
- Odin

[Powerboy]

- Joker is anybody's guess depending on how they want to argue it.

- Dr Doom feels it but overcomes it with sheer will power and maybe magic.

- Doomsday is hard to say since, in some versions, he's a mindless monster.

- Beta Ray Bill I don't know. Thor walked through the Cold Fire, the forerunner of the Stare, like it was nothing. Not sure with Bill.

- Adam Warlock not sure.

- Odin laughs uproariously that the Ghost Rider would even have the audacity to make the attempt.

[Ptrvc]

Current Odin rolls on the ground screaming while Jason Aaron whispers all the bad stuff he's done into Odin's ear.

Stuff that Aaron just retconned in.

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

Current Odin rolls on the ground screaming while Jason Aaron whispers all the bad stuff he's done into Odin's ear.

Stuff that Aaron just retconned in.

I liked how they made the hammer a sentient universe the whole time ... after just a few years ago, it had been shattered and Thor bound his life force/the Odin(Thor)force into it so that Strange could reforge it.

[Shellhead]

Joker: During the Morrison run on JLA, the Martian Manhunter temporarily cured the Joker of his insanity, which caused the Joker to experience massive regret for his crimes. So I assume that the Joker would be immune to the Penance Stare unless it also made him sane.

Dr Doom: I agree that he would successfully resist the penance stare with a combination of magic and sheer willpower.

Doomsday: Depending on the version, he might be immune due to lack of sentience.

Beta Ray Bill: Though a very decent guy, I don't think that he would be immune to the penance stare.

Adam Warlock: He has been driven insane by sheer guilt before, so I think that he would be especially vulnerable to the penance stare. Heck, a first year philosophy student could probably talk Adam into experiencing overwhelming angst.

Odin: Has the penance stare ever worked on someone on Odin's power level? If not, we shouldn't assume that it would.

[The Arbiter]

I liked how they made the hammer a sentient universe the whole time ... after just a few years ago, it had been shattered and Thor bound his life force/the Odin(Thor)force into it so that Strange could reforge it.

Wat limit dance

[The Dog]

Current Odin rolls on the ground screaming while Jason Aaron whispers all the bad stuff he's done into Odin's ear.

Stuff that Aaron just retconned in.

Don't forget having Jane Foster become the new Odin (and better and more powerful than Odin), because it wouldn't be a Jason Aaron Thor story without trying to shoehorn Jane Foster into it as an amazing powerful superstrong character.

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

Wat limit dance

In Thor 600, Thor shattered Mjolnir when he killed Bor, and had Dr. Strange reforge the hammer (so he could bring Sif back from the dead). This cost him the Thorforce (it was still King Thor minus the Runes at this point) and Dr. Strange explained that now that Mjolnir was essentially his soul; if it was destroyed again, it'd kill him.

This storyline was pretty well left alone (but still canon), until Jason Aaron retconned everything. Now Mjolnir is/was 'universal girl power'.

[The Arbiter]

In Thor 600, Thor shattered Mjolnir when he killed Bor, and had Dr. Strange reforge the hammer (so he could bring Sif back from the dead). This cost him the Thorforce (it was still King Thor minus the Runes at this point) and Dr. Strange explained that now that Mjolnir was essentially his soul; if it was destroyed again, it'd kill him.

This storyline was pretty well left alone (but still canon), until Jason Aaron retconned everything. Now Mjolnir is/was 'universal girl power'.

Yeah, I remember all the Bor stuff. I actually enjoyed most of the "Asgard on Earth" stuff.

Guess im just confused on the sentient universe hammer bit?? Didn't Aaron do the Mother Storm bit? Has it now transformed once again, or is that what you meant?

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

Yeah, I remember all the Bor stuff. I actually enjoyed most of the "Asgard on Earth" stuff.

Guess im just confused on the sentient universe hammer bit?? Didn't Aaron do the Mother Storm bit? Has it now transformed once again, or is that what you meant?

Oh, yea I was just saying that Aaron retconned an interesting plot beat into "Hammer has always been an imprisoned woman cuz Odin is a chauvinistic pig".

[The Arbiter]

Oh, yea I was just saying that Aaron retconned an interesting plot beat into "Hammer has always been an imprisoned woman cuz Odin is a chauvinistic pig".

Ok, I got you now.

You read any of the new Thor stuff? Now that he has Mjolnir again - after they beat Malekith? Im wondering if its worth picking up, or if its Aaron stuff as usual.

[k von doom]

- Odin laughs uproariously that the Ghost Rider would even have the audacity to make the attempt.

This is a stretch but in FF 243, Dr Strange confronted a weakened Galactus with all the souls he's ever consumed and it KO'd him. So if Galactus can be affected by something like that, it wouldn't be a cakewalk for Odin, right?

[The Arbiter]

This is a stretch but in FF 243, Dr Strange confronted a weakened Galactus with all the souls he's ever consumed and it KO'd him. So if Galactus can be affected by something like that, it wouldn't be a cakewalk for Odin, right?

Galactus was literally poisoned when this happened. It's a pretty big asterisk. Later, Prof X hits a healthy G with all the guilt, fear and hope from the Skrull homeworld population and he just shrugs.

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

Ok, I got you now.

You read any of the new Thor stuff? Now that he has Mjolnir again - after they beat Malekith? Im wondering if its worth picking up, or if its Aaron stuff as usual.

Eh, more of Aaron turning Jane Foster into a sue, really.

Shattered her hammer to knock out King Lauffey's eyes, then it magically turned into a vambrace that can now be ALL weapons or something ? Anyway, she's the new Valkyrie, cuz all the dead Valkyrie's wanted her to be the new one.

Just to be perfectly clear. No I'm not reading it. Until he's off the book, idgaf.

[K7P5V]

This is a stretch but in FF 243, Dr Strange confronted a weakened Galactus with all the souls he's ever consumed and it KO'd him. So if Galactus can be affected by something like that, it wouldn't be a cakewalk for Odin, right?

My all-time favorite scene from the FF cartoon:

(with the exception of Ghost Rider replacing Stephen, of course).