Changing Magneto's origin for the movies?

[Snoop Dogg]

They changed the origin of Pietro and Wanda.

The origin of the Avengers characters that's only relevant to like 10 stories across 35 years that itself a contrived retcon vs. the origin written in blood to Tom Orzechowski's mailbox by Lord Claremont that has defined everything Magnesh is and does for the past 39 years across media.

[Theleviathan]

The movies have suspended animation so the MCU could have the Winter Soldier and Captain America, who were both born before WWII, fighthing an alien who wanted to use magic stones to erase half the universe, so excuse me if I don´t see the problem with having a character with slow aging on the MCU..

And yet, as I've pointed out, this still has direct consequences for Magneto's origin. Yes, you might passably explain his age this way but then you've got 80 years of hanging around where governments didn't care if you were a mutant and you, therefore, didn't have your rage lit about treatment of your kind. You likely didn't meet Xavier and have that profound experience and several other traumatic, character building moments also become hard to explain.

I'll say it again, because the MCU does not have mutants as of right now, it makes characters like Xavier and Magneto extremely difficult to tell origin stories about because their dreams were built over the course of history. The time gap between the modern world and the holocaust is but one of many issues.

[Snoop Dogg]

lol @ marvel studios writers if they can't figure out how the history of two dudes, one of which is a telepath, can be a secret from the world, and how one of them can live very long

[CRaymond]

Yeah the telepathy is the saving throw here. Magneto can be an active terrorist for decades and a connected Xavier can sweep it up with very little problems.

[Lucyinthesky]

Tbh As long as the MCU keeps Magneto´s origin story intact, I don´t mind much how they go into including mutantkind in the MCU, even in the 616 marvel the X-men and mutants in general were hidden for a long time until their numbers grew enough to catch the attention of the public. So for the MCU:

1.- They could do it like in "X-men Evolution" where they have been around but their numbers are still too small to get too much attention beyond some goverments and Xavier used his powers to hide his X-men.

2.- They have been on Krakoa all this time and just interact with the rest of the world everytime a new mutant is born to bring them into their country but this could make them way too similar to the inhumans.

3.- The mutants come from an AU and now they are all around the MCU after Dr Strage "Into the multiverse of madness" movie did something to mix their universes.

4.- They could reveal Genosha as a hidden country like Wakanda in the first X-men movie like in Wolverine and the X-men but instead of "mutants" they are called "miracles" like Von Strucker called the Twins in Age of Ultron.

[Gray Lensman]

lol @ marvel studios writers if they can't figure out how the history of two dudes, one of which is a telepath, can be a secret from the world, and how one of them can live very long

Telepathy won't easily explain away any recordings of events, or if anything get reported as news before a mindwipe, since that story is also likely to be preserved somehow.






I have to ask one question to people who insist that the genocide Magneto is linked to MUST be the Holocaust. In what way is Magneto Jewish outside of surviving that event? Because to my gentile eyes, I can't remember him doing anything that would even suggest he is Jewish except for that.

[Lucyinthesky]

Except for joinning Kitty Pryde on her visists to the Holocaust Memorial Museum and hanging with fellow Survivors, Magneto and marvel don´t bring much his jewish identity, instead of that, Claremont wrote him with that backstory in mind, his pov, his way of interacting with the world, his disscussions with Charles and the X-men are a direct result of his experiences from the Holocaust. You change his origin and you get a different character, with a different pov and motives, as simple as that.

[mikelmcknight72]

Except for joinning Kitty Pryde on her visists to the Holocaust Memorial Museum and hanging with fellow Survivors, Magneto and marvel don´t bring much his jewish identity, instead of that, Claremont wrote him with that backstory in mind, his pov, his way of interacting with the world, his disscussions with Charles and the X-men are a direct result of his experiences from the Holocaust. You change his origin and you get a different character, with a different pov and motives, as simple as that.

Magneto being Jewish and a survivor of the Holocaust is essential to his character if he is going to be more than a two dimensional, mustache twirling villain. The history of antisemitism in the world at large and especially in Europe in the century leading up to the Holocaust inform the character quite a bit, as does the re-establishment of Israel as a sovereign nation post-WW2. Antisemitism is certainly alive and well today, so it even has present day value.

We are talking about superhero movies. We are already suspending disbelief regarding superpowers, so Charles and Magneto both being their comics accurate ages is a pretty easy fix. You don't even have to get into cloned bodies and de-aging. Slow aging or time tossed while trying to help a mutant with time travel abilities are probably the two easiest methods.

[Vegeta]

Perhaps Mutants were simply viewed as "miracles" prior to the founding of the X-Men. Small numbers, as well as mutations insignificant enough to fly under the radar probably wouldn't cause any mass hysteria. It's the discovery of the existence of an "x-gene" in these individuals, and that some humans are now evolving that starts the national panic. So the movies could really start at the ground floor of mutant intolerance in the MCU.

[Lucyinthesky]

Magneto being Jewish and a survivor of the Holocaust is essential to his character if he is going to be more than a two dimensional, mustache twirling villain. The history of antisemitism in the world at large and especially in Europe in the century leading up to the Holocaust inform the character quite a bit, as does the re-establishment of Israel as a sovereign nation post-WW2. Antisemitism is certainly alive and well today, so it even has present day value.

Exactly, I agree completely.

We are talking about superhero movies. We are already suspending disbelief regarding superpowers, so Charles and Magneto both being their comics accurate ages is a pretty easy fix. You don't even have to get into cloned bodies and de-aging. Slow aging or time tossed while trying to help a mutant with time travel abilities are probably the two easiest methods.

Eva Bell could be this mutant.

[HomoSuperior]

A modern take on Magneto should get back to basics and make people uncomfortable. Take his character back to a time when very few thought he might have a point. Update his origin to make him a Slavic Jew traumatized by the Cold War; his people given away to Soviet Russia through geopolitics and abandoned by the west. Today, make him the leader behind the rise of “mutant nationalist” cells. Utilizing asymmetrical warfare to destabilize the world order by surreptitiously organizing and encouraging mutant cells to attack their host countries around the globe. Make him feel like a threat by making audiences believe he would kill them because they (the audience) are not mutants. The timely real world analogies are there and supports the “emergence” of mutants from the shadows. The X-men could still play foils as promoters of integration.

[Theleviathan]

lol @ marvel studios writers if they can't figure out how the history of two dudes, one of which is a telepath, can be a secret from the world, and how one of them can live very long

Making mutants invisible and unknown for 80 years ALSO has major ramifications for his origin and motivations. And they are elements just as crucial as the holocaust IMO.

[Killerbee911]

Comic book properties because of sliding timeline stuff and era the main story originate get reimagined for the modern-day when adapted for movie and tv. Sometimes it is small changes, sometimes it is big changes. It is weird hearing X-fans go hey you can't change this when every time X-men has been move to be media stuff has been changed. People saying you can't change this and that when for example X-men "First Class"(and the first movies) freaking changed the X-men's "first class". The Fundamentals of the X-men is built off Cyclops, Jean, Iceman, Beast, and Angel and then Wolverine, Storm, Colossus, Nightcrawler(Kitty and Rogue).

People are going you can't change Magneto "origin" but the team who around from issue 1 to 66, who then got back together as X-factor, Who where use again as teens in the modern-day. Who has probably more time together than any other team. The actual core of the X-men stories. Fans go cool no problem you change that and it is fine. Okay guys uhm yeah sure. Magneto set up is immutable but actually set up of X-men core foundation well yeah just change it. Of course, option 1 is to keep is to keep the story with as many elements from the past as possible but if that goes against a clean modern retelling or a good way to reimagine that keeps the spirit of the original but connects to the time period they are telling the story. You can see them changing Magneto background.

The X-men is Xavier forms a "school" has five specific students first nothing is more core and fundamental than and that was/is changed to tell more modern stories .

[Snoop Dogg]

60's X-Men got not good after like two years and was cancelled. A failure. The fundamental and seminal X-Men is the Claremont stuff where he established flexible rosters. During that period, the fundamental piece of Magneto's character became the Holocaust background, therefore it is questionable to change that without an incredibly strong reason. Something which has yet to be provided.

People quibble often about nebulous personality changes to important MCU characters, but "Great Power = Great Responsibility" didn't become "Bloods before Crips, Be a Pimp and Get Your Cocaine Hits." That's would be as damaging to Spider-Man as no Holocaust would be to the definitive live-action Magneto.

[Killerbee911]

60's X-Men got not good after like two years and was cancelled. A failure. The fundamental and seminal X-Men is the Claremont stuff where he established flexible rosters. During that period, the fundamental piece of Magneto's character became the Holocaust background, therefore it is questionable to change that without an incredibly strong reason. Something which has yet to be provided.

People quibble often about nebulous personality changes to important MCU characters, but "Great Power = Great Responsibility" didn't become "Bloods before Crips, Be a Pimp and Get Your Cocaine Hits." That's would be as damaging to Spider-Man as no Holocaust would be to the definitive live-action Magneto.

Who said anything about the books being good? That does not change anything the core of the X-men base is those 5 X-men everything is built from them up. Telling a the X-men story without them as the originals leads to very different things and interactions. Still something good but different. If they can change the fundamental base of the X-men anything can be changed Claremont stuff is built on top of the original story. Magneto origin was great for the time period it was being told in, In retelling, in a modern setting, you have to option of reimagining what a Magneto starting from today setting would look like everyone else in X-men would probably be getting that treatment in MCU which means Holocaust origin is not an option. That is more than good enough reason and there are comparable experiences that could be used to fill in. Yes you could use the fact that it is sci-fi reasons to stretch tie and to an important past event but you guys are also forgetting the audience you are telling your story to matters as well. Anyways for me if they are doing a " more reboot" aka retelling original story but updating it, I am fine with a different Magneto, If they are doing very strict adaption of the source material then I am fine with them going through what lengths to keep Magneto story intact.