Changing Magneto's origin for the movies?

[Lucyinthesky]

Is MCU Nick Fury still Nick Fury?

He´s Nick Fury who resembles Ultimate Nick Fury but he certainly isn´t the original 616 Nick Fury, the one who´s been around since WWII for example. They are different characters.

It's going to have to be changed unless you want to see the X-Men beating up an old man. Magneto's backstory is great, but it creates huge problems in a universe with a sliding timeline. You could find a way to de-age him but I always thought that was goofy.

But Wolverine, Mystique and Captain America are no problem for the sliding timeline? Sorry, but I just don´t see what makes Magneto different from those characters.

[Snoop Dogg]

This from the guy who was arguing in another thread that continuity and history don't matter as long as the stories are good.

I love you, man.

Okay, well, that's not what I said. So. I said that stories should adhere to continuity, ideally they all would, but that stories should not generally be stories about other stories, and that they should be able to be followed and understand both in a vaccuum and in the context of the universe with all of the back-issues. The alternative is producing content that doesn't work because it doesn't fit or content that doesn't work because it's impenetrable and mired in separate details.

[MindofShadow]

Agreed

If Captain America surviving because of ice isn´t a stretch then I don´t see why it´s a stretch Magneto aging slowly, he´s an extremely powerful mutant after all. It´s curious why this always seems to be a problem for Magneto but not for Bucky, Wolverine, Captain America, Namor, Thor, etc. The MCU is made of super-hero movies, their very concept is a stretch on reality.

I mean, the people you mention have built in excuses...

Bucky- put in deep freeze to keep young + SSS knock off
Wolv- healing factor
Cap- frozen + SSS
Namor- doesn't exist in MCU but he's atlantean, they can always so they live longer
Thor- lives thousands nad thousands of years


I mean, they can always give Mags a healing factor of some sort (hey, people believe in bogus healing magnets!) but they have to have something to explain it.

[Rivka]

It's going to have to be changed unless you want to see the X-Men beating up an old man.

Magneto's backstory is great, but it creates huge problems in a universe with a sliding timeline. You could find a way to de-age him but I always thought that was goofy.

How is that "goofy" in a universe with a talking raccoon, a flying norse god, or a mild mannered scientist who turns into a giant green monster when he gets angry? Again -- and I'm sorry to repeat myself -- but again, why does Magneto's WWII backstory (or Cap's for Peggy Carter's for that matter), pose a problem in the super hero science fiction often fantastical but grounded in reality Marvel Universe?

[Zero Hunter]

Yes! But can you see the subtle shift in focus that the op made? Can Giancarlo play Magneto? Of course he can! He's a great actor, who could easily play a Jewish Holocaust survivor! But the op then implied that IF Mr. Esposito plays Magneto, he *can't possibly* be a Holocaust survivor any longer, that this is the excuse for erasing Magneto's Jewish identity and Holocaust backstory. This is how you can sometimes ascertain a person's real motives in bringing up this subject. What does one thing have to do with the other? Of course Mr. Esposito can play the character Magneto, a Jewish survivor of WWII Auschwitz, and of course there is no reason why as a powerful mutant Magneto can't still be in his prime in 2020 or thereafter.

There isn't actually any reason why Disney/Marvel needs to change Magneto's backstory.

I was not implying anything. Your post is implying I am in some way racist which is total bullshit so knock it off.

[Snoop Dogg]

World War II is not as inseparably tied to the concept of Nick Fury the way it is to Captain America and Magneto. It's not needed at all if you're not going into his relationships with the Howlers. The same applies to Iron Man in Vietnam or the Punisher to Vietnam. The only one you can compare to Magneto is Captain America, and no one would argue in a post-MCU world that his background should be changed.

[FUBAR007]

I said that stories should adhere to continuity, ideally they all would, but that stories should not generally be stories about other stories...

What's the difference?

Any sequel, flashback, or reference to a previously published story is to some degree a "story about another story".

[Lucyinthesky]

I mean, the people you mention have built in excuses...

Bucky- put in deep freeze to keep young + SSS knock off
Wolv- healing factor
Cap- frozen + SSS
Namor- doesn't exist in MCU but he's atlantean, they can always so they live longer
Thor- lives thousands nad thousands of years


I mean, they can always give Mags a healing factor of some sort (hey, people believe in bogus healing magnets!) but they have to have something to explain it.

I agree and I don´t think that´s hard to explain given the nature of Magneto´s powers. It´s a story that needs to be told certainly but no one impossible to make.

[Snoop Dogg]

What's the difference?

Any sequel, flashback, or reference to a previously published story is to some degree a "story about another story".

what is the difference between a story like avengers forever that has a cast comprised of characters from specific points of continuity, has an entire issue dedicated to going over continuity, another issue going over continuity and then applying retcons, and a plot about exploring deep-cut continuity settings

and

a modern avengers story that references civil war every now and then or has a paragraph or page summarizing someone's history a few times

[Vegeta]

Is Red Son Superman, Superman?

To me? No he is not. I don't know why, but AU versions of characters always feel like weird discount dime store bootlegs for some reason.

Also, there's no reason why a powerful dangerous mutant like Magneto wouldn't be cryofreezed by the military if they saw some potential in keeping him around.

[CRaymond]

There’s a million ways to extend Magneto’s lifespan, or even extend the duration of Nazi death camps. It’s just a matter of adding another conceit to the character's backstory. Maybe Hydra put him in a Winter Soldier container until lil soldier Charlie X finds him.

[Rivka]

I was not implying anything. Your post is implying I am in some way racist which is total bullshit so knock it off.

I apologize! I sometimes go too far in trying to make my point!

[CRaymond]

For the sake of discourse, what about the Holocaust specifically informs Magneto’s character —aside from being a survivor of a genocide?

[cranger]

The holocaust bit is a retcon and good riddance.

The only reason Cap needs to be tied to WWII is because it is ridiculous to think that any current super soldier program that results in a guy who can throw a bouncing shield would even be given the go-ahead and given that the only novelty about him is the 10 minutes of old fashioned guy getting hit in the face with decades of society changing, like that Brendan Fraser comedy about the kid who grew up in a post WWII bomb shelter.

Magneto just needs to be the opposite of Xavier. Done.

[Zero Hunter]

One of the big things for me with keeping him tied to WWII is having to explain him not really doing anything for over 80 years. If you say he has aged slowly then you still have to explain that he basically sat on his hands for decades doing nothing, and that does not sound like any version of Magneto.