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    Quote Originally Posted by Godzilla2099 View Post
    This fight was just...perfect.

    I say this because most incarnations of Shredder is able to defeat four mutated turtle warriors with little problems. Only Splinter is able to take him down. Batman should be right on their level. I completely agree with the Animated Movie's Interpretation. (Both fights)



    I thought True/Demon Shredder was a great idea and not removed from original all that much. The first Shredder was a giant Yōkai that was terrorizing Japan. A Hero named Oroku Saki managed to defeat him but Shredder promised Saki unlimited power if it could merge with his soul. Saki agreed and they merged into True Shredder.

    I found it less removed from the character compared to Utrom Shredder (A Krang controlling Samurai Armor.)
    ch'rell, the ultrom shredder, only took the name because the shredder was a terrifying legend and he took advantage of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by master of read View Post
    wait. which original you talking about: original as in "true" stredder or original as "ultrom" shredder?
    I'm talking about the actual original Shredder (and Turtles) from the original TMNT comics. :D As I figured was wjowski.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharpandpointies View Post
    I'm talking about the actual original Shredder (and Turtles) from the original TMNT comics. As I figured was wjowski.
    ahhh old school shredder. gotcha. i know very little from him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by master of read View Post
    ahhh old school shredder. gotcha. i know very little from him.
    He was skilled enough to whup all over the TMNT when they tried to fight him individually. It was only when they really, really switched to ganging up on him that they won.

    He ended up getting exploded by his own thermite grenade.

    Later on, the Foot fixed him by feeding parts of his body to some kind of mystic worm that forms colonies. The worms took on his characteristics, and then their colonies went through some kind of rituals/science stuff. The Foot ended up with three mutant creatures and finally a copy of Saki, himself. Saki and the Foot ambushed Leo, almost killed him, then drove April, the TMNT, and Casey out of New York for a looong time. When they went back, Leo took on the Shredder one-on-one, but swords only - 'Saki' dumped his armor. Leo won after a tough fight.

    The TMNT weren't on Batman's level -- they dodged shuriken, and had to work hard to avoid getting shot up by arrows. People with guns forced them to flee, or use stealth, or hide under cover. Saki wasn't THAT much above them, given the four of them beat him. Batman wouldn't have much of a problem taking him on.
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    "...dropping an orca whale made of fire on your enemies is a pretty strong opening move."
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    "[Kent] Nelson was nearly invariably presented as the guy who, barring the Spectre, made everyone else generally gasp and go "Doctor Fate don't shiv, he balls nasty.", even Superman."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharpandpointies View Post
    He was skilled enough to whup all over the TMNT when they tried to fight him individually. It was only when they really, really switched to ganging up on him that they won.

    He ended up getting exploded by his own thermite grenade.

    Later on, the Foot fixed him by feeding parts of his body to some kind of mystic worm that forms colonies. The worms took on his characteristics, and then their colonies went through some kind of rituals/science stuff. The Foot ended up with three mutant creatures and finally a copy of Saki, himself. Saki and the Foot ambushed Leo, almost killed him, then drove April, the TMNT, and Casey out of New York for a looong time. When they went back, Leo took on the Shredder one-on-one, but swords only - 'Saki' dumped his armor. Leo won after a tough fight.

    The TMNT weren't on Batman's level -- they dodged shuriken, and had to work hard to avoid getting shot up by arrows. People with guns forced them to flee, or use stealth, or hide under cover. Saki wasn't THAT much above them, given the four of them beat him. Batman wouldn't have much of a problem taking him on.
    so he and ultrom shredder were around the same level, eh? interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharpandpointies View Post
    Turtles who were rather below Batman, physically.
    See, I never got that. Turtles have far more muscle mass with relatively small organs, a human-sized turtle would be insanely strong. Michael Bay didn't actually need to make them so big.
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    Quote Originally Posted by master of read View Post
    so he and ultrom shredder were around the same level, eh? interesting.
    Not really. Utrom Shredder's duel with Leo was based off of the return to New York from the comic, but there were a lot of differences. The 2003 Foot has a wider variety of forces, and just plain more heavy hitters, for starters. 2003 Shredder actually had a lot of fighting before the duel with Leonardo, and Leonardo used a magic sword to fight Shredder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallman View Post
    Not really. Utrom Shredder's duel with Leo was based off of the return to New York from the comic, but there were a lot of differences. The 2003 Foot has a wider variety of forces, and just plain more heavy hitters, for starters. 2003 Shredder actually had a lot of fighting before the duel with Leonardo, and Leonardo used a magic sword to fight Shredder.
    i am aware. just saying that no single turtle, sans the sword of tengu, could handle ultrom shredder. plus, the sword of tengu was damn busted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhyvurg View Post
    See, I never got that. Turtles have far more muscle mass with relatively small organs, a human-sized turtle would be insanely strong. Michael Bay didn't actually need to make them so big.
    Why are we talking Michael Bay?

    I'm talking original canon Turtles with MoR. The best 'strength' feat I've seen from them is picking up a human with both hands and throwing them about 8' (which, compared to RL humans, is pretty darned good for 4'6" dudes). They were barely fast enough to dodge arrows and thrown shuriken, and when shot at, resorted to taking cover rather than dancing through automatic gunfire to beat up the shooters. And Leo explicitly got worn out and exhausted by having a running fight that probably took about a half-hour, at most, judging by what happened elsewhere in that issue during the same time.

    None of this is on Batman's level.
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    I remember the Original cartoon shredder punching a giant safe to pieces with one punch. It wasn't even particularly plot-critical or anything. He was just doing it to show he was ridiculously strong, and if those street youths joined the Foot he could teach them to be super strong too.

    Quote Originally Posted by wjowski View Post
    Of course if we're using animated versions...well...that version of Batman's had problems with ninja before.
    Unlike Comic version, I don't think Cartoon Batman had any feats of busting up rocks with his punches, so that would give him a distinct strength disadvantage.

    Then again most of his foes were stronger than him...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The MunchKING View Post
    I remember the Original cartoon shredder punching a giant safe to pieces with one punch. It wasn't even particularly plot-critical or anything. He was just doing it to show he was ridiculously strong, and if those street youths joined the Foot he could teach them to be super strong too.
    Was this in reply to me? Or just a general comment on Cartoon Shredder? ^_^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharpandpointies View Post
    Was this in reply to me? Or just a general comment on Cartoon Shredder? ^_^
    General statement. You seem to be talking about the comic version that was before even the first cartoon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The MunchKING View Post
    General statement. You seem to be talking about the comic version that was before even the first cartoon.
    Exactly. Eastman and Laird's original stuff.

    Was just checking if addressed to me. ^_^
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    "...dropping an orca whale made of fire on your enemies is a pretty strong opening move."
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    "[Kent] Nelson was nearly invariably presented as the guy who, barring the Spectre, made everyone else generally gasp and go "Doctor Fate don't shiv, he balls nasty.", even Superman."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharpandpointies View Post
    The original character lost to a team of Turtles who were rather below Batman, physically. Even his resurrected self lost to Leonardo in a sword-fight (though admittedly, that was without armor).

    I don't see the original Shredder winning against Bruce.
    I think he's saying that no version of Shredder is beating Batman.

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