Ippo Makanouchi vs. Ip Man

[master of read]

I believe I meant the destructive strength necessary to bust through walls or heavily damage them with physical attacks, especially if the wall is made out of material like concrete itself.

well, neither does ippo really. at least not that i remember.

but i'm going with ip man. he's dealt with boxers before and ippo doesn't bring anything to the table that he really can't deal with. on the flip, ippo has never fought anyone outside of a boxer before.

[Tammy Warner]

well, neither does ippo really. at least not that i remember.

but i'm going with ip man. he's dealt with boxers before and ippo doesn't bring anything to the table that he really can't deal with. on the flip, ippo has never fought anyone outside of a boxer before.

http://www.mangahere.cc/manga/hajime...88/c846/4.html

Takamura's speed is faster than Miyata Ichiro whose fastest punch kinda broke the sound barrier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJQLQK7tsUc

And in addition, he survived attacks from the same Black Bear that can decimate entire trees with a swing, which I've never seen anyone in Ip-Man do either.

[Dark Soul # 7]

http://www.mangahere.cc/manga/hajime...88/c846/4.html

Takamura's speed is faster than Miyata Ichiro whose fastest punch kinda broke the sound barrier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJQLQK7tsUc

And in addition, he survived attacks from the same Black Bear that can decimate entire trees with a swing, which I've never seen anyone in Ip-Man do either.

Takamura isn't in this rumble though.

Ippo is.

[master of read]

http://www.mangahere.cc/manga/hajime...88/c846/4.html

Takamura's speed is faster than Miyata Ichiro whose fastest punch kinda broke the sound barrier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJQLQK7tsUc

And in addition, he survived attacks from the same Black Bear that can decimate entire trees with a swing, which I've never seen anyone in Ip-Man do either.

oh i know who takamura is. in fact, i posted a thread many years ago about his feats of strength and speed.

https://community.cbr.com/showthread...light=takamura

but like dark said, takamura is not in this rumble and you can't compare ippo, or any other boxer in the series, to takamura. mainly due to ippo being several weightclasses below him and the fact that takamura is such a beast that no one else really can compare to him. the only one who could probably compare is richardo, seeing as he is a super champion but he doesn't have the feats as of yet to come close to takamura's.

[Tammy Warner]

Takamura isn't in this rumble though.

Ippo is.

oh i know who takamura is. in fact, i posted a thread many years ago about his feats of strength and speed.

https://community.cbr.com/showthread...light=takamura

but like dark said, takamura is not in this rumble and you can't compare ippo, or any other boxer in the series, to takamura. mainly due to ippo being several weightclasses below him and the fact that takamura is such a beast that no one else really can compare to him. the only one who could probably compare is richardo, seeing as he is a super champion but he doesn't have the feats as of yet to come close to takamura's.

I know. I guess I forgot to tell you both that I was simply using Takamura as the measuring stick for Ippo. Anyways I haven't seen anyone in IP-Man fight something that can destroy big trees in a single swipe. And Ippo is fast as hell himself. Can IP-Man react to any of the boxers that Ippo's dodged punches from?

[master of read]

I know. I guess I forgot to tell you both that I was simply using Takamura as the measuring stick for Ippo. Anyways I haven't seen anyone in IP-Man fight something that can destroy big trees in a single swipe. And Ippo is fast as hell himself. Can IP-Man react to any of the boxers that Ippo's dodged punches from?

um ippo has never destroyed a tree with a single swipe, unless he got a major upgrade in the latest arc that i don't know about yet.

if you want to show that ippo can do something, please provide actually feats for him do said stuff and not comparing him to any other boxers, especially takamura who is a freak of nature by HNI standards.

[Nik Hasta]

Just to throw out, Miyata breaking the sound barrier would be covered under SMvsFL for my money.

[Tammy Warner]

um ippo has never destroyed a tree with a single swipe, unless he got a major upgrade in the latest arc that i don't know about yet.

if you want to show that ippo can do something, please provide actually feats for him do said stuff and not comparing him to any other boxers, especially takamura who is a freak of nature by HNI standards.

Ippo may not have directly shown destroying trees with his strength yet, but he has held his own against someone who has fought someone that did.

But if you want me to post individual feats for Ippo, fine if you insist:
http://i.imgur.com/ra3FJm3.jpg

The sheer velocity of Ippo's punch was able to get some blood out of Hayami.

http://i.imgur.com/vmZtlb6.jpg
Here he dodges a fast barrage of punches from Hayami again, which means even Ip Man's barrage of punches is going to have a bit of a hard time hitting him.

https://imgur.com/a/EgH0x

He outpaces Hayami for quick-ass KO.

https://imgur.com/a/aSjxe

Here he dodges an attack from Sendou at point blank.

https://imgur.com/a/lBxrr

Here he punches Kurita out of the ring just by striking his mitts.

Ip Man is certainly not going to have an easy time here. Based on feats, many of the boxers in HNI that Ippo fought are probably utterly superior to Twister and maybe even Frank.

[master of read]

Ippo may not have directly shown destroying trees with his strength yet, but he has held his own against someone who has fought someone that did.

But if you want me to post individual feats for Ippo, fine if you insist:
http://i.imgur.com/ra3FJm3.jpg

The sheer velocity of Ippo's punch was able to get some blood out of Hayami.

http://i.imgur.com/vmZtlb6.jpg
Here he dodges a fast barrage of punches from Hayami again, which means even Ip Man's barrage of punches is going to have a bit of a hard time hitting him.

https://imgur.com/a/EgH0x

He outpaces Hayami for quick-ass KO.

https://imgur.com/a/aSjxe

Here he dodges an attack from Sendou at point blank.

https://imgur.com/a/lBxrr

Here he punches Kurita out of the ring just by striking his mitts.

Ip Man is certainly not going to have an easy time here. Based on feats, many of the boxers in HNI that Ippo fought are probably utterly superior to Twister and maybe even Frank.

if he has never shown to have that level of strength, you can not claim he has that level of power simply because he fought someone who has. (not even sure who it is you are referring to in the first place)

those are some nice feats but ip man is gonna be fighting in a style that ippo has never fought before and one of his weaknesses is dealing with **** that he's never experienced before, which is what ip man brings to the table.

ippo is powerful for his weight class and very durable but i dont really see ip man having too much of an issue with him, given his experience with boxers far above his weight class.

[Sharpandpointies]

Note: Not from Ippo, but the most fun looking example of 'wall-level' I could find on short notice.

...of course. Hey, I can see that scan, and at work. Interesting.

I believe I meant the destructive strength necessary to bust through walls or heavily damage them with physical attacks, especially if the wall is made out of material like concrete itself.

Odd way of putting it, is all. Terminology from another website (have seen that elsewhere), I'm guessing.

Reason I say this is because without context (what kind of wall? What is it made of? How thick was it?) it doesn't really mean a lot, and as we don't use that kind of term here, it's probably better to just say 'dude can bust through 1' thick walls made of solid stone' or whatever. Details make the case.

Kind of like 'bullet-timer'. All 'bullet-timers' aren't created equally, and while it's a good way of saying 'in this approximate area of speed', there's a gulf between 'barely manages to jerk out of the way of a bullet when moving just after said bullet was fired' and 'casually dodges into and then out of the path of a bullet, deliberately'.

Details are always good.

Also completely without context it's weird. 'This guy is wall-level'. O_o

[Tammy Warner]

...of course. Hey, I can see that scan, and at work. Interesting.



Odd way of putting it, is all. Terminology from another website (have seen that elsewhere), I'm guessing.

Reason I say this is because without context (what kind of wall? What is it made of? How thick was it?) it doesn't really mean a lot, and as we don't use that kind of term here, it's probably better to just say 'dude can bust through 1' thick walls made of solid stone' or whatever. Details make the case.

Kind of like 'bullet-timer'. All 'bullet-timers' aren't created equally, and while it's a good way of saying 'in this approximate area of speed', there's a gulf between 'barely manages to jerk out of the way of a bullet when moving just after said bullet was fired' and 'casually dodges into and then out of the path of a bullet, deliberately'.

Details are always good.

Also completely without context it's weird. 'This guy is wall-level'. O_o

Well many characters in fiction who only seem like just peak humans have feats of busting through walls, while most others have not done so with their own physical strength.

To be more accurate, it is pretty common for strong normal human characters that can be classified as "superhuman" to have feats on the level of breaking through walls at the minimum of their baseline power.

Donnie Yen's Ip Man has not explicitly shown such a feat on-screen yet. But comes pretty dangerously close at his best. And if Master Z: Legacy of IP Man is any indication, Ip Man's rival Cheung Tin Chi has fought against
Owen, a fighter with arguably even more strength and durability but far less skill than Frank as he was able to break a table by throwing a man on it and he was heavily damaging furnitures with his strength, to a standstill. Which means Ip Man may get a similar feat in Ip Man 4. Crossing my fingers mate.

[Tammy Warner]

if he has never shown to have that level of strength, you can not claim he has that level of power simply because he fought someone who has. (not even sure who it is you are referring to in the first place)

those are some nice feats but ip man is gonna be fighting in a style that ippo has never fought before and one of his weaknesses is dealing with **** that he's never experienced before, which is what ip man brings to the table.

ippo is powerful for his weight class and very durable but i dont really see ip man having too much of an issue with him, given his experience with boxers far above his weight class.

I was talking about Takamura and his fight with the bear lol. The fact that Ippo was able to hold his own against that dude means Ip Man is going to have trouble.

Ip Man is much more skilled and has more diverse techniques by virtue of his martial arts allowing for a larger set of differing moves compared to boxing. I'll give you that, but you need to understand that he dodged barrages of punches from another fast-as-hell boxer and they looked pretty similar to Ip Man's rapid-fire fisticuffs.

Also, Ip Man fighting against boxers greater than his weight class is impressive, but I'm pretty damn positive there is no way you're going to convince that Twister and Frank is stronger than most of the boxers that Ippo fought.

Ippo flips a boxer in just one punch in his Pro-Registration Fight:
https://imgur.com/a/n9G4C

Can punch through another boxer's guard:
http://i.imgur.com/XfY9N5t.jpg

Punches through Jason Osma's guard prior to landing a three-hit combo:
https://imgur.com/a/FrFUI

Able to punch Hayami back despite guarding position:
https://imgur.com/a/impDS

Disable's Mishiba's arm by punching him in the blow over and over:
https://imgur.com/a/xlZv5

His face can take 10 hits straight from Okita and still able to stand:
https://imgur.com/a/XcnF9

Can Ip Man match that?

[Lord Falcon]

Those feats by Ippo are a better way to compare, whether they measure up to Ip Man or not (they don't, except in durability).

Ippo does not remotely "hold his own" against Takamura in a boxing match. Takamura is on a completely different level. At one point, five of Ippo's greatest opponents (including the likes of Mashiba, Sendo and Eiji) all took on Takamura at once in a bar fight and Takamura thrashed them in short order.

[Tammy Warner]

Those feats by Ippo are a better way to compare, whether they measure up to Ip Man or not (they don't, except in durability).

Ippo does not remotely "hold his own" against Takamura in a boxing match. Takamura is on a completely different level. At one point, five of Ippo's greatest opponents (including the likes of Mashiba, Sendo and Eiji) all took on Takamura at once in a bar fight and Takamura thrashed them in short order.

Except Ip Man never punched a boxer and knocked him back while the latter was in a guarding position. Sure Ip Man did exchange a good volley of punches with Twister, but he didn't show knocking him back in his hardest spots.

Also, Ippo DID take punches from Takamura in the early days of his boxing stint. Punches that are probably far harder than Twister or even Frank can throw.

And again, did I forget to mention that Ippo was able to knock out an expert boxer that are exactly four weight classes higher than him?

https://imgur.com/a/XfsaJ

Can Ip Man easily defeat or hell survive even half the boxers that Ippo fought and defeated? That's where the answer of this match lies. Ip Man is awesome asf, but against a manga/anime character who's ridiculously strong and fast and from a somewhat more superhuman setting than Donnie Yen's Ip Man, he sadly doesn't have much chance.

[master of read]

Those feats by Ippo are a better way to compare, whether they measure up to Ip Man or not (they don't, except in durability).

Ippo does not remotely "hold his own" against Takamura in a boxing match. Takamura is on a completely different level. At one point, five of Ippo's greatest opponents (including the likes of Mashiba, Sendo and Eiji) all took on Takamura at once in a bar fight and Takamura thrashed them in short order.

and casually destroy a door with a kick.

and beat the **** out of a gang of monkeys.

and picked up a truck out of ditch.

and shook a boxing ring after punching the mat.

takamura is cartoonishly above every other boxer in the series.

Except Ip Man never punched a boxer and knocked him back while the latter was in a guarding position. Sure Ip Man did exchange a good volley of punches with Twister, but he didn't show knocking him back in his hardest spots.

Also, Ippo DID take punches from Takamura in the early days of his boxing stint. Punches that are probably far harder than Twister or even Frank can throw.

And again, did I forget to mention that Ippo was able to knock out an expert boxer that are exactly four weight classes higher than him?

https://imgur.com/a/XfsaJ

Can Ip Man easily defeat or hell survive even half the boxers that Ippo fought and defeated? That's where the answer of this match lies. Ip Man is awesome asf, but against a manga/anime character who's ridiculously strong and fast and from a somewhat more superhuman setting than Donnie Yen's Ip Man, he sadly doesn't have much chance.

so what is ippo gonna do if and when ip man starts attacking his legs or locking him up with joint locks? ippo has never fought a martial artist, let alone one with the skill and experience that ip man brings to the table. and as it has been shown, he doesn't do well against style that he's never seen or fought against before.