View Poll Results: Who is Leviathan?

Voters
40. You may not vote on this poll
  • Batman

    0 0%
  • Lois Lane

    1 2.50%
  • Green Arrow

    9 22.50%
  • Plastic Man

    1 2.50%
  • The Question

    2 5.00%
  • Manhunter

    2 5.00%
  • Red Hood

    0 0%
  • Amanda Waller

    0 0%
  • Sam Lane

    0 0%
  • Steve Trevor

    0 0%
  • Blue Beetle

    1 2.50%
  • Maxwell Lord

    4 10.00%
  • A hero from an alternate Earth

    1 2.50%
  • Multiple people using the Leviathan ID

    11 27.50%
  • None of the above

    18 45.00%
Multiple Choice Poll.
Page 6 of 12 FirstFirst ... 2345678910 ... LastLast
Results 76 to 90 of 166
  1. #76
    Moderator Frontier's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Posts
    43,700

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Superlad93 View Post
    Conner Hawke is certainly a possibility, and could work, but I just imagine them going with the simpler solution of finally giving Emiko the--non gendered--mantel of Green Arrow and continuing the story they already cultivated for her. To my knowledge, Connor's existence hasn't even been hinted at, and given the fact this Green Arrow and possible Leviathan seems to have been planed since Bendis came on and Snyder planed out No Justice, it would be odd to not at least hint at Conner, right?
    I mean, they teased him during Percy's run so it's it's not like he wasn't hinted at, Percy just left the book before they could do anything with it.

    Again, I just don't think Emiko's character is at a place where she would believably become the new Green Arrow or want to take that over her current identity. I mean, if it were planned it certainly doesn't seem to have much current build up.

  2. #77
    Ultimate Member Ascended's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    12,632

    Default

    Has anyone considered Ralph Dibney? I don't know where he's been since the reboot (an appearance in Secret Six or something?) or what his history looks like these days but after Infinite Crisis and 52 I could see him going in this direction. And he's oddly missing from this league of detectives.
    Higher, Faster, Further....More.

    Truth, Justice, and a Better Tomorrow!

    Bridge Four!

  3. #78
    Mighty Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2017
    Location
    Brooklyn, New York
    Posts
    1,404

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by BatmanJones View Post
    I agree.

    Max Lord would be a letdown. We've already seen him as a masterfully manipulative villain that took over a huge spy organization. I don't think it's him at all. And the con man thing would be pretty on the nose. Maybe Amanda Waller just thinks it's Max and that's why she said that.

    I wonder how much stock to put in the "con man" reference. If it's a genuine clue that would pretty much rule out Green Arrow for me. GA's honest 'to a fault.' I have a hard time imagining anyone thinking of him as a con man, especially Waller.

    It's a stretch (and one I wouldn't agree with) but I guess someone might call Roy a con man based on his success in temporarily hiding his drug addiction. Or maybe he's a "con man" because he convinced everyone he's dead when he isn't? And maybe he has the contents of the box J'onn gave Ollie somehow?

    I sort of love the idea of Earth-Two Roy Harper. I don't think it's likely but I love the idea of it because it would mean Earth-Two was back in some way. And we haven't seen Golden Age Green Arrow and Speedy since CoIE, IIRC.

    And someone like that might make some sense of Leviathan having referred to Plastic Man as having belonged to all the teams the character ever belonged to regardless of continuity. But that could be any number of characters.

    I do think that Plastic Man reference is a pretty big clue though--if not to the "who" then to the "why." It's more idiosyncratic than unknown alien tech or someone being a con artist.

    Not hazarding a guess, just thinking out loud.
    Does Max Lord even exist in the current continuity?

  4. #79
    Astonishing Member j9ac9k's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    4,345

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    Has anyone considered Ralph Dibney? I don't know where he's been since the reboot (an appearance in Secret Six or something?) or what his history looks like these days but after Infinite Crisis and 52 I could see him going in this direction. And he's oddly missing from this league of detectives.
    Ralph was mentioned as being sidelined but I don't recall the excuse they used. Of course it could be a false report...

  5. #80
    Mighty Member Yoda's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2016
    Posts
    1,656

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by king81992 View Post
    Does Max Lord even exist in the current continuity?
    Yeah. He was the main villain in the Justice League/Suicide Squad crossover. He worked with Waller previously and I believe ended up on the Suicide Squad at the end of it.

  6. #81
    Astonishing Member BatmanJones's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Posts
    3,361

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    Has anyone considered Ralph Dibney? I don't know where he's been since the reboot (an appearance in Secret Six or something?) or what his history looks like these days but after Infinite Crisis and 52 I could see him going in this direction. And he's oddly missing from this league of detectives.
    This seems like a strong theory to me. Assuming Sue is dead in current continuity he has good motivation to want to upend the status quo. He's also one of the 'world's greatest detectives' (legitimately, unlike Plas) so he'd be able to stay a step ahead of them. He's known for being jokey so he fits Leviathan's light dialogue too. (Batman doesn't talk like that but Ralph does) And the fact that he was just name dropped by Lois Lane and has the 'world's greatest detective' reputation, it wouldn't be entirely out of left field.

    It's also challenging to think of a character that would be a bigger surprise from a story perspective.

    I love this theory too because it would bring Ralph back into the spotlight.

  7. #82
    AT EASE, LOO-SUH! Superlad93's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    7,831

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    I mean, they teased him during Percy's run so it's it's not like he wasn't hinted at, Percy just left the book before they could do anything with it.

    Again, I just don't think Emiko's character is at a place where she would believably become the new Green Arrow or want to take that over her current identity. I mean, if it were planned it certainly doesn't seem to have much current build up.
    I wasn't at all aware that Percy unambiguously and definitively hinted at Connor. Like I said, there's no reason it couldn't work.

    But in the case of Emiko, the idea that she'd happen to be in the market to take over as Green Arrow JUST when Oliver is possibly on his way out is not at all required by the very nature of Oliver likely not preparing anyone for this switch because of the nature of it. I mean, it's not like Dick was in the market to take over for Bruce. Emiko feeling the need take up the mantel could very easily be a reaction to Oliver's possible actions in this event, and it really wouldn't have to be any more complex than that in the way of build up.
    #MakeAlexGreatAgain

    "Your videos give us hope. They give us strength in these times of slow normals, Chun-Li costumes and rampant New York fires.
    We shall overcome. The day will come when we are all warmed up."


    -Coffee That

    PM me if you tryina mix it up in SFV (and Dragon Ball FighterZ). Just know: the hypa bomb takes no prisoners.

  8. #83
    Mighty Member 9th.'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2017
    Posts
    1,595

    Default

    Please let it be Conner, I need him back.
    Reading list: Miles Morales: Spider-Man (Marvel), Ironheart (Marvel), Champions (Marvel), Jessica Jones: Purple Daughter (Marvel), Runaways (Marvel), Young Justice (DC), Naomi (DC), Justice League Odyssey (DC), My Hero Academia (VIZ), Bitter Root (Image), Quincredible (Lionforge), Buffy the Vampire Slayer Reboot (BOOM!)

  9. #84
    Obsessed & Compelled Bored at 3:00AM's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2016
    Posts
    4,597

    Default

    Conner Hawke would be a great possibility. He's gotta helluva motivation after being erased from history in the latest round of time shenanigans that the heroes failed to prevent (three of which were caused by heroes being manipulated by baddies)

  10. #85
    Mighty Member Tzigone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2019
    Posts
    1,237

    Default

    This seems like a strong theory to me. Assuming Sue is dead in current continuity he has good motivation to want to upend the status quo.
    She was alive early in Rebirth. I think she was amnesiac moll of the Riddler or something, and Ralph was trying to return her memory and get her back. I didn't finish the story and don't know how it turned out, as I deeply disliked that being done to her. In fact, I may have completely misremembered whatever it was. I just know she was alive, and I didn't like what was being down with her and Ralph. And also, Secret Six just isn't my kind of title (I like the stories to be about the heroes). I read six issues specifically for Ralph and Sue, then abandoned it. But as far I know, she's not dead.

  11. #86
    Mighty Member Kaijudo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    1,029

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Tzigone View Post
    She was alive early in Rebirth. I think she was amnesiac moll of the Riddler or something, and Ralph was trying to return her memory and get her back. I didn't finish the story and don't know how it turned out, as I deeply disliked that being done to her. In fact, I may have completely misremembered whatever it was. I just know she was alive, and I didn't like what was being down with her and Ralph. And also, Secret Six just isn't my kind of title (I like the stories to be about the heroes). I read six issues specifically for Ralph and Sue, then abandoned it. But as far I know, she's not dead.
    She was also with Ralph in the Detectives Guild story in Detective Comics 1000.

  12. #87
    Mighty Member Tzigone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2019
    Posts
    1,237

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaijudo View Post
    She was also with Ralph in the Detectives Guild story in Detective Comics 1000.
    Cool. Is it worth reading, if I'm reading for Ralph and/or Sue? Anniversary issues tend not to be my thing - they usually try to cram a lot of cameos and shout outs in and end not being very good stories, IMO. Though I can think of a couple good ones.

  13. #88
    Moderator Frontier's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Posts
    43,700

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Superlad93 View Post
    But in the case of Emiko, the idea that she'd happen to be in the market to take over as Green Arrow JUST when Oliver is possibly on his way out is not at all required by the very nature of Oliver likely not preparing anyone for this switch because of the nature of it. I mean, it's not like Dick was in the market to take over for Bruce. Emiko feeling the need take up the mantel could very easily be a reaction to Oliver's possible actions in this event, and it really wouldn't have to be any more complex than that in the way of build up.
    Of course I wouldn't rule something like that out, I'm just not sure if it would feel right with the characters in the place they are (compared to when Dick took over during Morrison's run or Prodigal). But that's just me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tzigone View Post
    Cool. Is it worth reading, if I'm reading for Ralph and/or Sue? Anniversary issues tend not to be my thing - they usually try to cram a lot of cameos and shout outs in and end not being very good stories, IMO. Though I can think of a couple good ones.
    It's a solid story but not one I'd read just for Ralph and Sue.

  14. #89
    Astonishing Member j9ac9k's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    4,345

    Default

    At this point I would be surprised by Bendis if Leviathan isn't someone who's already appeared, or mentioned in the first three issues. Otherwise, it's not exactly playing fair with the mystery as he purported. One shouldn't be well-versed in DC lore to make an educated guess - it should all be within the confines of this story.

  15. #90
    Moderator Frontier's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Posts
    43,700

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by j9ac9k View Post
    At this point I would be surprised by Bendis if Leviathan isn't someone who's already appeared, or mentioned in the first three issues. Otherwise, it's not exactly playing fair with the mystery as he purported. One shouldn't be well-versed in DC lore to make an educated guess - it should all be within the confines of this story.
    I liked the idea it was Mark Shaw (OG!Manhunter) but that doesn't seem to be in the cards.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •