View Poll Results: Who is Leviathan?

Voters
40. You may not vote on this poll
  • Batman

    0 0%
  • Lois Lane

    1 2.50%
  • Green Arrow

    9 22.50%
  • Plastic Man

    1 2.50%
  • The Question

    2 5.00%
  • Manhunter

    2 5.00%
  • Red Hood

    0 0%
  • Amanda Waller

    0 0%
  • Sam Lane

    0 0%
  • Steve Trevor

    0 0%
  • Blue Beetle

    1 2.50%
  • Maxwell Lord

    4 10.00%
  • A hero from an alternate Earth

    1 2.50%
  • Multiple people using the Leviathan ID

    11 27.50%
  • None of the above

    18 45.00%
Multiple Choice Poll.
Page 2 of 12 FirstFirst 123456 ... LastLast
Results 16 to 30 of 166
  1. #16
    Mighty Member Kaijudo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    1,029

    Default

    I hate to say it because he's a favorite, but for some reason I think it could be Booster Gold. His knowledge of the heroes could stem from his being from the future and his personality is affable enough. Plus, in his conversation with Plastic Man, everyone assumes that the Secret Six refers to the Tangent Plastic Man of another universe, but maybe there's a future Secret Six line-up yet to be introduced that Plas is a member of. Hell, maybe it's spinning out of this event, featuring the characters like Manhunter and Question that are currently being used here.

    Of course, if it's Booster, the possibility of it being a future/different timeline variation of him exists so as to not ruin the Booster that's currently running around.

  2. #17
    Mighty Member Yoda's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2016
    Posts
    1,655

    Default

    Todd asks Lois if she has a good relationship with her dad, which I took to mean that maybe he's implying having a good relationship with Sam Lane would be beneficial in Leviathan's takeover, basically a hint it could be Sam Lane. Or the "I hope that's true" was a response to her saying Leviathan attacked her father. Meaning, Todd hopes that is true, because then it's NOT Sam Lane. The Daddy issues stuff comes in afterward and it's actually Green Arrow who links it to Leviathan.

    And I know "daddy issues" is typically a gendered term, but that could be used as a swerve; Green Arrow can be said to have both mommy and daddy issues, given both were involved with the 9th Circle.

  3. #18
    AT EASE, LOO-SUH! Superlad93's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    7,831

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Yoda View Post
    Todd asks Lois if she has a good relationship with her dad, which I took to mean that maybe he's implying having a good relationship with Sam Lane would be beneficial in Leviathan's takeover, basically a hint it could be Sam Lane. Or the "I hope that's true" was a response to her saying Leviathan attacked her father. Meaning, Todd hopes that is true, because then it's NOT Sam Lane. The Daddy issues stuff comes in afterward and it's actually Green Arrow who links it to Leviathan.

    And I know "daddy issues" is typically a gendered term, but that could be used as a swerve; Green Arrow can be said to have both mommy and daddy issues, given both were involved with the 9th Circle.
    I hadn't thought of that. I'll have to give it a second read, but this sounds like a good take away from the two scenes.

    That said, I just have a gut feeling that it's Brown. No one else really jumps out at me yet, but we're only 3 issues deep, so I'll give it some time.
    #MakeAlexGreatAgain

    "Your videos give us hope. They give us strength in these times of slow normals, Chun-Li costumes and rampant New York fires.
    We shall overcome. The day will come when we are all warmed up."


    -Coffee That

    PM me if you tryina mix it up in SFV (and Dragon Ball FighterZ). Just know: the hypa bomb takes no prisoners.

  4. #19
    Fantastic Member MeGrimlock420's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2018
    Location
    Cybertron
    Posts
    397

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Superlad93 View Post
    I hadn't thought of that. I'll have to give it a second read, but this sounds like a good take away from the two scenes.

    That said, I just have a gut feeling that it's Brown. No one else really jumps out at me yet, but we're only 3 issues deep, so I'll give it some time.
    Other than daddy issues. To me, Brown wouldn't have that much motivation to do all this.

    Someone like Kate Kane (Batwoman) I believe has more of a motivation to do something about it. She has daddy issues, killed Clayface when Batman told her not to. Got on Batman's bad side because of it. Future Tim Drake came back to kill her because of things she's done in the future. That's why I think it's Kate Kane.

  5. #20
    Astonishing Member j9ac9k's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    4,334

    Default

    The notion that it might be Ollie makes me rethink the scene of him firing that Arrow at Jason that ultimately took out Batman and Robin... could he have meant for that to happen to keep Jason-as-suspect in play? He was obviously listening to Lois's convo with Jason, but took his time before acting... hmm....

  6. #21
    AT EASE, LOO-SUH! Superlad93's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    7,831

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by MeGrimlock420 View Post
    Other than daddy issues. To me, Brown wouldn't have that much motivation to do all this.

    Someone like Kate Kane (Batwoman) I believe has more of a motivation to do something about it. She has daddy issues, killed Clayface when Batman told her not to. Got on Batman's bad side because of it. Future Tim Drake came back to kill her because of things she's done in the future. That's why I think it's Kate Kane.
    The general frustration of her dad (someone who is supposed to be a reliable authority figure in her life) constantly reaching out to her for help and closeness, but then only to fallback into crime. Then the system that the heroes uphold and perpetuate allowing guys like her dad to basically function with a revolving door jail system that seems to only teach them to be better criminals and make more criminal connections. And her frustration as a young person basically inhering a broken world that seems to only want to perpetuate its flaws and status quo.

    I especially think that last bit will be the main crux of the idea.
    #MakeAlexGreatAgain

    "Your videos give us hope. They give us strength in these times of slow normals, Chun-Li costumes and rampant New York fires.
    We shall overcome. The day will come when we are all warmed up."


    -Coffee That

    PM me if you tryina mix it up in SFV (and Dragon Ball FighterZ). Just know: the hypa bomb takes no prisoners.

  7. #22
    Astonishing Member Jackalope89's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2017
    Posts
    4,670

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by MeGrimlock420 View Post
    Other than daddy issues. To me, Brown wouldn't have that much motivation to do all this.

    Someone like Kate Kane (Batwoman) I believe has more of a motivation to do something about it. She has daddy issues, killed Clayface when Batman told her not to. Got on Batman's bad side because of it. Future Tim Drake came back to kill her because of things she's done in the future. That's why I think it's Kate Kane.
    Except, Kate, when last seen, was on good terms with Bruce, working with Renee Montoya, and even gave Jason a ride from a small farm town.

  8. #23
    Astonishing Member BatmanJones's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Posts
    3,361

    Default

    I don't have a theory but I'm glad for this thread. I was just wondering yesterday why no one had started one yet. Thanks, Bored.

  9. #24
    Mighty Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2017
    Location
    Brooklyn, New York
    Posts
    1,398

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Superlad93 View Post
    Stephanie Brown aka former Batgirl aka Spoiler.

    Last seen: Bendis' Young Justice issue 5 flashback with Tim Drake. She went off, basically in tears, after getting a call from her dad.

    Reason for suspicion: Jason Todd says that whoever Leviathan is has daddy issues. Stephanie Brown literally became a crime fighter for the express reason of spoiling her super villain dad's plans. Waller says Leviathan is a "con artist." Brown's dad has a background in show business. Waller also remarks how the Leviathan mask is "algorithmically designed" to evoke both fear and leadership. Brown was a student of Batman's, and one of his earliest teachings was to specifically pinpoint the superstition of people to create a symbol bigger than one person. Barbra Gordon, the current and original Batgirl and direct mentor to Stephanie, was approached by Leviathan, and has not been seen since. The implication being that she joined Leviathan. Leviathan seems to take special interest in the Bat Family. They tell Plastic Man to say hello to Batman in issue 2, and they specifically know to set up Jason. Leviathan seem to imply that they were a hero before, and that they have "tried it Bruce's way."

    See you guys in a few months when it totally turns out to be Brown
    How would Stephanie of all people obtain the means and resources to pull something like this off? She has the right motive but not the resources.

  10. #25
    Ultimate Member Lee Stone's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    Louisiana
    Posts
    10,676

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by j9ac9k View Post
    Did we ever find out what the "L" in "L-Ron" stands for??
    It was likely a play on Lafayette, L Ron Hubbard's first name.
    LAFA-8, maybe?
    "There's magic in the sound of analog audio." - CNET.

  11. #26
    Fantastic Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2018
    Posts
    266

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by king81992 View Post
    How would Stephanie of all people obtain the means and resources to pull something like this off? She has the right motive but not the resources.
    Talia had mentored whomever this person is, so Stephanie as a former associate of Batman's has an easy connection.

    That said I am still hoping it's Batcow, the heel turn no one saw coming.

  12. #27
    Mighty Member failo.legendkiller's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    Rome, Italy
    Posts
    1,926

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by j9ac9k View Post
    The notion that it might be Ollie makes me rethink the scene of him firing that Arrow at Jason that ultimately took out Batman and Robin... could he have meant for that to happen to keep Jason-as-suspect in play? He was obviously listening to Lois's convo with Jason, but took his time before acting... hmm....
    Yeah, that scene was suspicious. You could have hit a point!

  13. #28
    Mighty Member Yoda's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2016
    Posts
    1,655

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by j9ac9k View Post
    The notion that it might be Ollie makes me rethink the scene of him firing that Arrow at Jason that ultimately took out Batman and Robin... could he have meant for that to happen to keep Jason-as-suspect in play? He was obviously listening to Lois's convo with Jason, but took his time before acting... hmm....
    I thought of that too. He definitely takes a beat before firing. And there is so much pointing towards Ollie that I think at the very least h is working with Leviathan. in Green Arrow 50 he basically becomes disillusioned with both the clandestine orgs who were putting Canary up to take him down and the heroes in J'onn giving him what he thought was a fake object to take down the League. He gave up being a hero and tossed his costume only to show up in the YOTV special in costume. We don't see him being offered anything from Leviathan, when given his background he'd be ripe for recruitment you'd think. Instead he shows up at the ARGUS site and interrupts Batman & Lois talking to Trevor. Then he does the same thing to Jason.

    Bendis' last "mystery" - the identity of the Red Cloud - ended up being what turned out to be the most obvious suspect in Robinson Goode. That leads me to believe that all these clues pointing at Green Arrow aren't red herrings and we are going to get a "The Usual Suspects" type scene at the end where they all put this together and we see all this from Ollie's perspective, including either his reveal or his recruitment and acceptance from Leviathan.

  14. #29
    AT EASE, LOO-SUH! Superlad93's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    7,831

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by king81992 View Post
    How would Stephanie of all people obtain the means and resources to pull something like this off? She has the right motive but not the resources.
    That's the question, isn't it?

    In fact, we're not really sure how anyone came across the means for all this. No one, not even Bruce or Clark, seems to be able to identify Leviathan's tech, and their followers seem to be volunteers from other organizations or heroes that truly believe in the cause.

    So I have to image that Stephanie is likely the "idea-man" behind this and the "face," but it was a collective effort, and early on resources and knowledge was complied from the growing collective. Like Fight Club, ya know? How does a sleep deprived 9 to 5 pencil pusher with a mental disorder create a nation wide empire and movement?

    The answer in both situations seems to be a really, really good pitch.
    Last edited by Superlad93; 08-16-2019 at 12:20 PM.
    #MakeAlexGreatAgain

    "Your videos give us hope. They give us strength in these times of slow normals, Chun-Li costumes and rampant New York fires.
    We shall overcome. The day will come when we are all warmed up."


    -Coffee That

    PM me if you tryina mix it up in SFV (and Dragon Ball FighterZ). Just know: the hypa bomb takes no prisoners.

  15. #30
    Mighty Member Yoda's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2016
    Posts
    1,655

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Superlad93 View Post
    So I have to image that Stephanie is likely the "idea-man" behind this and the "face," but it was a collective effort, and early on resources and knowledge was complied from the growing collective. Like Fight Club, ya know? How does a sleep deprived 9 to 5 pencil pusher with a mental disorder create a nation wide empire and movement?

    The answer in both situations seems to be a really, really good pitch.
    I think it's possible that Leviathan is more than one person as well. Waller's accusation that the mask was basically focused grouped and the way they always seem to appear concurrently with one of the suspects makes me think that. Basically, we could end up with a "we are all Leviathan" thing at the end.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •