And his race gives him a special status? It means he can't make mistakes or that people can't dislike him?????
Marvel does worst things more times to people of all races and genders.
Really how sad is that every debate there will be about Bishop will be derailed behind the "racism" excuse.
Can't have a serious discussion that way
Last edited by fsger; 08-22-2019 at 12:33 PM.
You dont get the context of Bishop being in the X-men, a superhero team that fights discrimination with 0 prominent black men?
Stop defining racism as the intent. Decisions and actions can have racist effects, like sabotaging the one prominent black character so that Cable can have (another) antagonist. Do I think the writers hate black people? No. Did their story take a popular black hero off the table? Yes (the only popular man the X-men have)
Last edited by Conn Seanery; 08-22-2019 at 02:56 PM.
Oh, I did not mind when Claremont made Gateway his grandfather or greatgrandfather. But then along came The Life and Times of Lucas Bishop, and they made him a full blooded aborigin, born in Australia, and relocated directly to a concentration camp in America. I mean, I have nothing against aboriginals, but it was a weird thing to do with a character widely perceived as african american. I think everyone gently ignored that, but... It kind of bugs me. Because if Bishop is aboriginal australian, the first male black x-man is actually Synch. And he died before graduating.
1- I already pointed why this issue concerns me. I'm a black man, stop thinking i have to like any character just because they share my skin tone. I disliked his actions on this particular story and will keep mentioning them because that happens to every other character on the X-men. Like Emma, Cyclops, etc, etc.
what's wrong with judging everybody under the same rules?
2-That is what everybody keeps spamming, I have been saying why the whole deal has nothing to do with racism
Last edited by Conn Seanery; 08-22-2019 at 02:56 PM.
Roberto Da Coasta wants to know your location.
"Cable was right!"
Sad really. And lets not forget his intro where tons of cops were pointing guns at him. And the fact he was the one continually beaten up by white kids at the school before getting killed off in a ridiculous fashion that his power could've prevented if he were being written properly.
Then your anger should lie with Jim Lee and Chris Clairemont for not introducing any black characters to the X-Men for decades, and their first attempt being a very "Super Friends" kind of racist with Storm.
You can't have someone be immune from being used in a negative story because of their minority status. What, can Magneto not be shown doing something evil because that would be anti-Semitic? Can Wolverine not be shown doing something evil because that's bias against the elderly? Can Jean not be shown to do something evil because that would be unfair to rape survivors?
Last edited by Conn Seanery; 08-22-2019 at 02:56 PM.
Of course not. I hate that when it's done for gay characters too. But the problem comes when you consider the question of where all the other black male X-Men are before, during and after that story. The answer is: Bishop is the only one. Synch has been dead since the Clinton administration; Prodigy was the C-team of kids in that era and is still not heavily featured in the books. Darwin was where? Maggott?
Bishop is and was the only prominent black male X-Man. And they chose to make him a bloodthirsty murderer bent on shooting a white baby. When you have no other prominent black males in the book that is an issue, plain and simple.
That's not saying these characters have to be saints or tokens. It is saying, gee, maybe it wasn't the best idea to do when there are so few leads of color in the books. Or are we going to pretend MC/Second Coming is some masterpiece of storytelling as opposed to a crap series of crossovers as part of the books spinning in place for over a decade, with a lead character (Hope) that has no point or relevance today?
Last edited by powerpax; 08-22-2019 at 12:47 PM.
I do not really remember the issue all that well? I vaguely remember his mother giving birth, maybe even in the transport?. But at any rate, he is a completely different ethnic group. It is a bit like Sunspot. Yes he would be seen as black in the States, but he is not african american in the sense Frenzy, Synch or Triage are. Same goes for Darwin and Cecilia Reyes, who are black hispanic. Maybe I am too nitpicky with this?
Last edited by Leirus; 08-22-2019 at 01:07 PM.
No, I agree with you. I was just asking.
Putting the blame on Lee and Claremont is very LOL
Like people have been saying many of black males on X-men have been killed or just on limbo.
So why carey and company didn't took a black male from limbo or created another?
OG Cable is dead. So yeah this story destroyed a black character for ntohing
Last edited by spirit2011; 08-22-2019 at 04:25 PM.