Originally Posted by
Theleviathan
Yes....Raimi was motivated by Spiderman 3! Because he was - his words - "unhappy" with it. That failure motivated him but ultimately he couldn't find a way to continue. I've said, from the outset, that the failure of Spiderman 3 dragged on the ability to continue the series and Raimi himself said as much. Let me be blunt - you are all over the place man. You're propping up strawmen left and right and you just can't keep yourself focused. So I'm going to refocus this a bit to try and help you collect yourself:
1. Spiderman 3 was not a good movie. Coming off of a brilliant Spiderman 2, the quality dip was jarring to people and put the path forward for the franchise on very shaky ground. The director was unhappy with the movie, but ultimately couldn't find a way to right the ship. (Yes, those two are directly linked and we know this because the director tied his motivations for the 4th movie to his feelings about the 3rd) The studio, seeing the jarring reaction by the public to the movie, concurrently started planning a reboot even though it had locked several key players into contracts. Movie studios don't concurrently plan reboots when they feel the last movie is worth building on. They do that when they think the franchise is shaky. Sony's Plan B proved to be a wise movie in principle - Spiderman 3's low quality and the director's frustration with how to continue after it ended the franchise.
2. Unfortunately, Plan B was nothing more than a derivative of the first movie and people soured fast. The second ASM came out too quickly and people really rejected that turd.
3. Sony, recognizing that the ship went from full steam ahead after, arguably, one of the best comic book movies ever made, to a full blown disaster. They (I'll repeat, because you conveniently ignore this) THEY went begging for help.
4. Disney righted their ship after they failed at least 2 times (three if you count Raimi's failure) to right it. They took public perception from "Ugh...another Spiderman movie....do we really need this?" to "This Holland Spiderman is pretty damn fun"
All of your facts can be true and the conclusion you draw can still be incorrect or dubious. Your facts do not directly entail my position or yours is right or wrong. Please knock that crap off. We both have facts to support our position and interpretations of those facts that are reasonable. So, again, please knock off your tone. It's totally unearned and multiple people on the thread keep trying to point it out to you.
It's simple for me: Spiderman the franchise was sailing along until one thing happened - Spiderman 3 was released. After that, everything went south fast. Seems to me the simplest place to put blame is the point at which things turned from "this franchise is brilliant, wow!" to "eh....um...that was jarringly bad"