Spider-Man forced out of the MCU due to failed Sony Deal

[XPac]

Doesn't work for me.



Yeah, the split isn't to anyone's benefit (unless you didn't like the movies and want a reboot).

Odds are even if you're wishing for a reboot you're probably losing here. Not that I don't see the advantages of starting with a clean slate, but I have trouble imaging Sony doing that coming off a billion dollar movie. They're in a really weird postion... half the appeal of me seeing the next Sony Spider-Man movie would be seeing how they handle this.

[Star_Jammer]

Yeah, the split isn't to anyone's benefit (unless you didn't like the movies and want a reboot).

And only if you don’t hate the 3rd reboot more than the 2nd reboot...

[jetengine]

Nice to see Disney loose something every now and then.

Ahh yes, the terrible "ItS a MoNoPoLy" idiocy. Its not, legally or technically. What Disney IS however is competent. Unlike WB or Sony or Fox.

[G. Boney]

What Disney IS however is competent.

Not in the handling of these negotiations it seems.

[jetengine]

Not in the handling of these negotiations it seems.

Sony always had this option. Its not Disneys fault Sont are under the delusion they can make a billion dollar movie when the last time they did had so many external factors aiding it that its irrelevant.

[Agent Z]

Ahh yes, the terrible "ItS a MoNoPoLy" idiocy. Its not, legally or technically. What Disney IS however is competent. Unlike WB or Sony or Fox.

Last I checked Sony was the one with a golden globe winning Spider-Man film not Disney.

That's not even getting into the debt Disney is in from the Fox acquisition.

[XPac]

Last I checked Sony was the one with a golden globe winning Spider-Man film not Disney.

That's not even getting into the debt Disney is in from the Fox acquisition.

The depbt Disney is in from the Fox acquisition is more from Fox's incopetence, not their own. Disney can make their money back with the content and IP's they are acquiring from Fox.

As far as Sony goes... they went to Marvel to make their movies. Golden Globe or no Golden Globe, they knew as well as everyone with 23 critically/commercially sucessful movies they're the measuring stick. Sony, Fox, and the WB are lucky if they can even do 3 marvel super hero movies in a row without creating one which potentially require them to completely reboot the franchise.

[Flash Gordon]

Ahh yes, the terrible "ItS a MoNoPoLy" idiocy. Its not, legally or technically. What Disney IS however is competent. Unlike WB or Sony or Fox.

LOL enjoy your loyalty to some faceless corporation.

Cartoons are so much more important than a functioning society.

[Jokerz79]

LOL enjoy your loyalty to some faceless corporation.

Cartoons are so much more important than a functioning society.

Fox was for sale what would you prefer Disney or Comcast a Telecommunications company?

We still have a bunch of other movie Studios, the Indie film community, and major film industries in almost every developed nation on earth. So losing a movie studio is less important than potentially losing any telecommunications companies in a war with Comcast.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

I think everyone is losing here honestly.

I don’t. Sony has Holland and can just make more films following up that don’t reference the Avengers or are very loosely acknowledging. They also now have their Venom and villain films set up with an incredibly popular hero they didn’t have prior.

They are no worse off besides no MCU characters showing up. And honestly any deal that gave Disney more of a cut was a needless overreach. The deal made sense initially because both sides were collaborating and they weren’t draining the others profits.

Sony is pretty much in the same position. If nothing else they repaired Spider-Man and have a franchise there and can parlay that with the new Venom franchise

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

Sony always had this option. Its not Disneys fault Sont are under the delusion they can make a billion dollar movie when the last time they did had so many external factors aiding it that its irrelevant.

Disney is at fault. They had a deal and got greedy and wanted more. If Disney kept the original terms, you’d have Spidey in the MCU and Sony wouldn’t have cared. Also this topic is becoming a bit money markish. The Sony bSpider-Man films were thebequivalent I’d billion dollar films today. Between a dramatically improved international market and overall inflation the Sony Spider-Man films with Tobey were almost all billion dollar films with inflation added in.

Only Avengers, Infinity War, Endgame, and Black Panther were better adjusted for inflation that Sony’s Raimi trilogy

[Theleviathan]

Disney is at fault. They had a deal and got greedy and wanted more. If Disney kept the original terms, you’d have Spidey in the MCU and Sony wouldn’t have cared. Also this topic is becoming a bit money markish. The Sony bSpider-Man films were thebequivalent I’d billion dollar films today. Between a dramatically improved international market and overall inflation the Sony Spider-Man films with Tobey were almost all billion dollar films with inflation added in.

Only Avengers, Infinity War, Endgame, and Black Panther were better adjusted for inflation that Sony’s Raimi trilogy

While all of that is true....Sony deliberately went to Disney asking for them to help them not make a sucky Spiderman movie. Their CEO is on the record saying they knew Marvel would do it right, that's why they went to them.

There is absolutely a chance that, on their own, they screw this up. (Probably a pretty good chance) To date, Disney has been hitting nothing but homeruns with their Marvel movies. Sony cannot say the same. There's a reason they went to Daddy Disney begging for help.

[Jokerz79]

Also the deal was over so Disney wanted a bigger piece of the pie after all the success they brought to the property.

[useridgoeshere]

I don’t. Sony has Holland and can just make more films following up that don’t reference the Avengers or are very loosely acknowledging. They also now have their Venom and villain films set up with an incredibly popular hero they didn’t have prior.

They are no worse off besides no MCU characters showing up. And honestly any deal that gave Disney more of a cut was a needless overreach. The deal made sense initially because both sides were collaborating and they weren’t draining the others profits.

Sony is pretty much in the same position. If nothing else they repaired Spider-Man and have a franchise there and can parlay that with the new Venom franchise

Unlike Marvel, which has proven that it can consistently make sequels that are significantly more successful than their predecessors, Sony has never done that with Spider-man domestically and only once internationally (SM3) in four tries. The difference Marvel made to the bottom line was hundreds of millions of dollars vs. TASM and its downward trajectory.

Luckily, Marvel doesn't need Spider-man for a while until they're ready for more group movies. By then, Sony will be desperate again (or gone from movie production/swallowed up by someone else) thanks to declining box office from two lackluster Holland movies and the need for another reboot.

[jetengine]

LOL enjoy your loyalty to some faceless corporation.

Cartoons are so much more important than a functioning society.

Imagine blaming Disney for doing what all buisness are doing when its clearly the fault of politicians who accept bribes, then blaming Disney for society somehow not functioning when its said politicians allowing society to fail because their the 1% and we're all meaningless statistics to them.