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    Quote Originally Posted by Harpsikord View Post
    There is absolutely no way Iceman's sexuality is getting retconned even in a reboot. Imagine the shitstorm that'd cause haha.
    Yep. I’m making it a huge character plot point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harpsikord View Post
    There is absolutely no way Iceman's sexuality is getting retconned even in a reboot. Imagine the shitstorm that'd cause haha.
    You mean the same one the original retcon caused

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    -Restrictions are put on hate groups and Sentinel construction. The Avengers and other groups will stand with mutants to keep them in check.
    -Enough alternate reality and time travel for a while
    -Fully reverse decimation and the depowering of mutants. It's a Mutant Golden Age again
    -Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are mutants again and Magneto's children. That whole thing was a hoax and an awful change

    The Nation of Krakoa I like the idea but I'd expand a bit. It's a whole big civilization.

    There's 4 Regions of Krakoa

    Sanctuary The largest area and overall hub of Krakoa. Where normal mutant citizens live.

    Haven - The capital city of Krakoa. Absolutely no fighting of any kind is allowed. Home to bars, shops, and more.
    The Academy - Think New X-Men Academy X before Decimation and the Massacre. A lot of X-Men have their squads and teaching roles. Some villains do as well.
    The Embassy - Ambassadors to Earth nations and even Shi'ar meet here to keep human/mutant/alien relations peaceful. The only area non mutants can enter.
    The Hall of Remembrance - Monument to fallen mutants with a cemetery.

    Wasteland Somewhat barren area. Mostly lawless. Criminals run amok.

    Omega - Lair of scum and villainy. A hub/bar where anything goes. Sex. Drugs. Fight Club.
    Necrosha - Various survivors still afflicted roam here. Zombies make this a no go for most.

    The Dwelling The smallest part of Necrosha. Filled with Underground tunnels and a giant hill.

    Notable Residents: The Morlocks

    The Metropolis Ruled by Apocalypse. Only the strongest or bravest may enter or stay.

    The Monolith - Home to Clan Akkaba and followers of Apocalypse.
    The Pens - Sinister has been given an area and is allowed to run his experiments here.

    Ongoing Books

    X-Council - Similar to the Illuminati. The governing body of Krakoa behind the scenes. Not heroes. Not villains. They do what they have to.

    Magneto
    Scarlet Witch (representative to the Avengers and magic expert)
    Power House (an older Franklin Richards)
    Professor X
    Storm
    Apocalypse (Akkaba and tech expert)
    Sinister (there so they can keep an eye on him)
    Callisto (liason for the Morlocks)

    X-Men They deal with villains and are the public face of mutants. Different members based on the mission with a big rotating cast but the main squad is here. They leave Krakoa when needed but deal with threats home and abroad. Some new members thrown into the spotlight along with experienced X-Men.

    Cyclops
    Phoenix (Jean but no Phoenix force)
    Elixir
    Dazzler
    Quicksilver
    Wolverine
    Archangel
    Colossus
    Exodus
    Siryn

    X.S.E. The enforcers, peace keepers, and police of Krakoa minus the Wasteland. Bishop leads his squad.

    Bishop
    Shard
    Fixx
    M
    Iceman
    X-23
    Warpath
    Lifeguard
    Nightcrawler

    Freedom Force Similar to Thunderbolts or even a Suicide Squad. Rogue is given command of a group of criminals. They will be given pardons for good behavior but if they are lost .... well it's no loss. Earn a second chance or die trying.

    Rogue
    Pyro
    Sabretooth
    Empath
    Lady Mastermind
    Sienna Blaze
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    Locus
    Senyaka
    Vincente
    Birdy

    Academy X Drama. Romance. Sex. Action. The whole school experience. The training squads are back lead by various X-Men and even a few ex-villains. Alternating cast with the New X-Men cast. The starting main squad.

    Hellion
    Surge
    Rockslide
    Mercury
    Specter
    Rubbermaid
    Loa
    Dryad
    Match

    New Mutants Cannonball leads his own squad or harem. Friends. Teammates. Family. His past relationship ended he finds his new team filled with past love interests or ones who had a crush on him. Throw in his sister and best friend and you have a team. And Chamber is there too. Also swapped Lila out for Blink.

    Cannonball
    Sunspot
    Boom Boom
    Magma
    Mirage
    Wolfsbane
    Husk
    Marrow
    Blink
    Chamber
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    Quote Originally Posted by GodfatherIV View Post
    You mean the same one the original retcon caused
    No lmfao, don't even compare them. Making Iceman was a flash in a pan that only actually bothered a number of vocal fans.

    Trying to make him straight would cause a wildfire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harpsikord View Post
    No lmfao, don't even compare them. Making Iceman was a flash in a pan that only actually bothered a number of vocal fans.

    Trying to make him straight would cause a wildfire.
    This is not true. It was a change that fundamentally rewrote who the character is and made his history into a lie. People who liked him before were upset because of that very reason. It is the same as when any other character has his or her backstory completely changed in the mainstream universe. If it wasn’t that big of a deal, then there would be no backlash in reversing it. Still, it would be the right thing to do because it would be restoring who the character was for 60 years. If you want a version of him like this, nobody would care if it were in an alternate universe. Just don’t throw away all of the history or pretend that this doesn’t make him a completely different character.
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    I mean, it doesn't throw away his history, it just recontextualizes it. Alan Moore didn't throw away Swamp Thing's history when he wrote Anatomy Lesson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H-E-D View Post
    I mean, it doesn't throw away his history, it just recontextualizes it. Alan Moore didn't throw away Swamp Thing's history when he wrote Anatomy Lesson.
    It absolutely does throw away his history. Bobby has always been girl crazy and has dated several women. His innermost thoughts have been exposed showing his attraction to women. Pretending that certain panels are some sort of subtext that you have to stretch to reinterpret doesn’t change that. Your avatar has Sentry. What if there were a retcon saying that he was a Super Skrull the whole time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KurtW95 View Post
    It absolutely does throw away his history. Bobby has always been girl crazy and has dated several women. His innermost thoughts have been exposed showing his attraction to women. Pretending that certain panels are some sort of subtext that you have to stretch to reinterpret doesn’t change that. Your avatar has Sentry. What if there were a retcon saying that he was a Super Skrull the whole time?
    I mean, I don't see what it would add, but it's not like him being a Super Skrull would make any of the stories with him non-canon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H-E-D View Post
    I mean, I don't see what it would add, but it's not like him being a Super Skrull would make any of the stories with him non-canon.
    It would make them a lie and hijack the character’s concept from the people formed who he is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KurtW95 View Post
    It would make them a lie and hijack the character’s concept from the people formed who he is.
    Do you think Alan Moore made all prior Swamp Thing stories a lie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by H-E-D View Post
    Do you think Alan Moore made all prior Swamp Thing stories a lie?
    Pretty much. As I tend to disagree with that retcon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KurtW95 View Post
    Pretty much. As I tend to disagree with that retcon.
    Well, at least you're consistent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H-E-D View Post
    Well, at least you're consistent.
    That was pretty much the only reason why I ended up skipping the show.
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    Did Claremont making Magneto a Holocaust survivor bother you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by H-E-D View Post
    Did Claremont making Magneto a Holocaust survivor bother you?
    That didn’t rewrite previously established history. It was never said, but it did not conflict or make previous stories a lie like making Bobby not straight, making Swamp Thing not Alec Holland, making Carol Danvers half Kree, making Dum Dum Duggan an LMD.
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