Crisis on Infinite Authors

[Harpsikord]

Claremont doesn't belong in a thread like this, but he definitely made his interests known during his X-tenure.

Nah, I think that Claremont is fair game because of Revolution and Reboot.

But he is definitely the one that injected all the kink into the X-Mythos. That was alllllll him, babes.

[CRaymond]

Reboot.

Hey Reboot was silly but it wasn't terrible!

[Anduinel]

That “You’re a fruit?” dialog/panel was so bad. Edge-lord Austen is the worst. I suppose he could claim he was spotlighting ignorance in a book known for championing enlightenment. But his writing is so bad you get the sense he is personally on the wrong side and using the book for subversively espousing his own thinly veiled ignorance. See also: homophobe writes from both sides but the worst elements seem to more developed, normalized.

Like a Tarantino film. If it ever came out, who would be shocked to learn the guy is a racist with a history of beating women... and he was using his craft and hiding behind an “auteur” image the whole time. No thanks.

I'm not willing to pin that on Austen in particular (at least not more than any other clueless straight writer), simply because it's part of a pattern that I think is more rightly thrown at the feet of various editorial teams. From Byrne to Austen, it seems like the only time editors were comfortable allowing any hint or discussion of homosexuality was when it was framed in terms of suffering or insult (see also: Weir and DeFillipis of this same era not being allowed to say Anole was gay or even use the word "gay" in a discussion with his gay teacher about how important his murdered gay mentor had been to him. Ugh). Austen also made comments once he was dismissed from the X-Books about being told to "tone it down" when it came to Northstar being gay, which was why JP pretty much vanished for the latter half of Austen's run and got assigned to being a full-time teacher instead of having a spot on a team. (Can't have an out gay guy on a superhero team, but we can let Millar turn him into an 'phobe-killing zombie. So edgy, Marvel, thanks.) So a lot of the clunky bs with Northstar's homosexuality during this run I'm willing to chalk up to a mix of editorial cowardice and Austen not having the skills or imagination to do anything with the character when he couldn't just make him The Gay One.

[Harpsikord]

Hey Reboot was silly but it wasn't terrible!

Can we at least talk about X-Men: Forever? :P

[CRaymond]

Can we at least talk about X-Men: Forever? :P

Please do. I never collected it :-)

But I did skim X-Men: The End, and that was turrible.

[Hizashi]

Might just be me, but it feels like a lot of X-Writers have used writing the X-Books to work out a lot of their own personal issues.

It’s a thin line, every writer puts themselves (their hopes, fears) in their work; what you might find to be too much might not be noticed by someone else.

And when is it a case of what you’re describing and not a case where a reader projects motives because they don’t like what they’re reading?

[spirit2011]

Okay, Morrison run destroyed the franchise for me and here's why :

His run was about 20 years ago and I realize... it might have been around the time many current readers have started x-men or comics.
Basically Morrison derailed tons of characters and they all took level in jerkass.
Around the first couple of issues. Jean cheats on Scott. Cyclops kills somebody. Professor Xavier coldly headshots somebody. Beast fakes a coming-out...
Emma is the only one who actually gets well written at first, but ends up completely all over the place. We're not talking about Magneto/Xorn...

I'm not talking about the scenes with Beak and Angel (Beaks saves someone... with a condom ?) all the Sublime Stuff Fantomex as he is written early and not talking about poor Igor Kordey.
There was a lot of crazy ideas all over the place; many were interesting, but enjoying Morrison's run needed either you to not know the characters beforehand OR to don't care or to want more gritty and Edgy stuff.

Most of the characterisation issues we have had (Jerk Cyclops among others) comes from his run.
I'm not even talking about the darkness induced audience apathy that started with him. ^^"

Every issue can be someone first. Morrison was probably the first run from a bunch of people, specilly the ones that thought X-men was too campy.
many people grew up the Morrison distorted view of characters and franchise;

Beast coming out but not really was really bad stuff, that was even more ofensive that what he did with Jean

X-men got darker and they started getting into internal fights. The franchise got bleak

[Harpsikord]

Please do. I never collected it :-)

But I did skim X-Men: The End, and that was turrible.

It makes me so sad.

[H-E-D]

WTH I just read. Diversity but not that mcuh diversity

then turn a white body into a asian body, looks total silver age DC

Fraction run looked very soft porn

I have a feeling Matt Fraction would probably not stand by that interview today if somebody were to follow up with him.

And, to be fair to Fraction, Land makes everything look soft porn.

Might just be me, but it feels like a lot of X-Writers have used writing the X-Books to work out a lot of their own personal issues.

I mean, that's just writers of any kind of book.

[spirit2011]

So Grant Morrison controlled the Marvel Editorial board from the shadows? Was he also the bad guy from Saw?

Taylor created an ultra pacifist that needed every bad guy to put the ball on a tee for her. Jean fans should find the Taylor run incredibly insulting to the character.

So if Jean had just popped back to life two issues later, you'd still hate it? I just ask because Emma literally dies in the series, and comes back four issues later.

Cassandra taking Rachel captive is not a thing that a call "villain helping hero plans"

show up 2 issues later would be better than a decade, but the humiliation already happened

I have a feeling Matt Fraction would probably not stand by that interview today if somebody were to follow up with him.

And, to be fair to Fraction, Land makes everything look soft porn.

That answer is yikes.

Not really, Fraction wrote very well for a erotic tale. I didn't had this problem with Gillen

I mean, that's just writers of any kind of book.

Some more than others

[fsger]

show up 2 issues later would be better than a decade, but the humiliation already happened

Yeah, having psychic sex after your wife was looking for and kissing another guy is truly the greatest crime of all time. Not even genocide or infanticide reach that level but those for some reason don't count, right?

This is why Morrison sucks, disrespected Jean and made Scott look like an ass to prop up literally any trash.

[PsychoEFrost]

Cassandra taking Rachel captive is not a thing that a call "villain helping hero plans"

show up 2 issues later would be better than a decade, but the humiliation already happened




That answer is yikes.

Not really, Fraction wrote very well for a erotic tale. I didn't had this problem with Gillen




Some more than others

At that point, Rachel getting brainwashed and kidnapped was just her status quo. But I'm happy that the being that psychically shattered the entire Shi'Ar Empire of a hundred galaxies, that terrified every X-man to the bone, that murdered 16 million in cold blood with zero remorse was kind enough to postpone her plans for a week to let Jean make anti-TP helmets, and gather the Avengers for a counter attack. And then was defeated by the comic equal to the Care Bear Stare.

How was the affair humiliating for Jean in any way? She finds out, rips Emma to pieces, a moment that I'm shocked isn't your avatar, nearly kills her, and then Emma gets killed. How is that in any way humiliating to Jean?

[phoenixzero23]

God, there are tons of stories of Cyclops loving Jean before and after Morrison. it is not like their break up was the only story they ever had.
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[Star_Jammer]

I mean, that's just writers of any kind of book.

There’s a difference between “writing from experience” and “working out personal issues”.

[ComeOnBunny]

Grant Morrison should be on this list because his run was just as stupid as Chuck Austen's imo. I did like what Bendis did with Magik, but nothing else, I enjoyed Remender's Apocalype Twins arc, I liked what Austen did with the Polaris Genosha flashback, Squid Boy and Juggernaut,. I also enjoyed Brian Woods run despite Jubilee being useless in it outside of the cute Shogo moments.