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    I was going to link to a video I watched about Virginia Hall - whose story reads like if Marvel's Peggy Carter was a real person, only the movie character was toned down for believability. However, Youtube seems to be a on a rampage of demonetizing history videos currently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seismic-2 View Post
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    My father, a Tech Sergeant in the US Army Air Corps, in Egypt in WWII on his way to deployment in the China-Burma-India theater, where he served for the duration of the war. Thank you, Dad... for everything.


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    I don't have any photos of my Grandfather from his time in the Navy - he's in some large group photos but that's all I have.

    He served earlier in the war in the Atlantic on an escort destroyer (that he never talked about other than to say he was there) and later in the Pacific as a firefighter on the USS Irwin, a late war Fletcher-class destroyer. Fun fact - several years after the war he worked at Bethlehem Steel - the very company that manufactured his ship.
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    September 17, 1939, from Wikipedia,

    "The Soviet invasion of Poland begins."

    "German submarine U-29 sinks the British aircraft carrier HMS Courageous."

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    Fascinating. Or should I say Fascistinating? This has been an interesting thread.

    The Soviets invaded eastern Poland, whereas if we recall back, the Germans are already in western Poland. Poor Poland, this completely crushed their plans to defend what was left. But there was still resistance that continued even though this was an absolutely devastating time for them, effectively ending Poland as it was known at the time.

    Britain and France were in a pickle, too, because they had declared war on Germany expressly because of their invasion of Poland, but chose not to do the same against the Soviets in response to that invasion. It sort of made things look like nobody really cared about Poland, beyond it being a tool to allow allied intervention to begin in earnest in places they really did care about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Taylor View Post
    Fascinating. Or should I say Fascistinating? This has been an interesting thread.

    The Soviets invaded eastern Poland, whereas if we recall back, the Germans are already in western Poland. Poor Poland, this completely crushed their plans to defend what was left. But there was still resistance that continued even though this was an absolutely devastating time for them, effectively ending Poland as it was known at the time.

    Britain and France were in a pickle, too, because they had declared war on Germany expressly because of their invasion of Poland, but chose not to do the same against the Soviets in response to that invasion. It sort of made things look like nobody really cared about Poland, beyond it being a tool to allow allied intervention to begin in earnest in places they really did care about.


    September 18, 1939, from Wikipedia,

    "The Polish government of Ignacy Mościcki flees to Romania."

    "The radio show Germany Calling begins transmitting Nazi propaganda."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Taylor View Post
    Fascinating. Or should I say Fascistinating? This has been an interesting thread.

    The Soviets invaded eastern Poland, whereas if we recall back, the Germans are already in western Poland. Poor Poland, this completely crushed their plans to defend what was left. But there was still resistance that continued even though this was an absolutely devastating time for them, effectively ending Poland as it was known at the time.

    Britain and France were in a pickle, too, because they had declared war on Germany expressly because of their invasion of Poland, but chose not to do the same against the Soviets in response to that invasion. It sort of made things look like nobody really cared about Poland, beyond it being a tool to allow allied intervention to begin in earnest in places they really did care about.
    There is a book Britain and Poland 1939-1943: The Betrayed Ally, it is very dry as it is a text book but if covers this subject, France was not legally obliged by any pact to attack Soviet Union or to send troops to Poland to help but with obligated to act against German aggression. It didn't want to go up against both Germany and Russia. Now England on the other had was obliged to send support and assistance , literally "at once" and to provide "all the support and assistance in its power", per the 1939 pact yet they didn't. The political thinking between them though was that German was the "main" threat to Europe and the Russia though large was not a threat to greater Europe as Russia was only after an already occupied Poland. In hindsight not declaring war on Russia help to end the war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James T. Kirk View Post


    September 18, 1939, from Wikipedia,

    "The Polish government of Ignacy Mościcki flees to Romania."

    "The radio show Germany Calling begins transmitting Nazi propaganda."
    It wasn't just Nazi propaganda over the radio as that has been happening in Germany for years, this day marks the day William Joyce (Lord Haw-Haw) a member of the British Union of Fascists started his broadcast of Nazi propaganda in Britain. Joyce was convicted of high treason in 1945 and put to death by hanging, just so you know. And was the last person to be executed for treason in the UK. Another fact is that Joyce was born in New York USA.
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    The allied powers after World War I, in the Treaty of Versailles, created the new states of Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Turkey, Czechoslovakia, Austria and Hungary. Those states were carved out of the old Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Ottoman Empire and the Russian Empire. You'd think, since it was their idea, those allies would have a responsibiility to protect their newly created nations. It was the fact that these states and their borders were so new that left them vulnerable.
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    September 19, 1939, from Wikipedia,

    "The Battle of Kępa Oksywska concludes, with Polish losses reaching roughly 14% of all the forces engaged."

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