Midora vs. the Silver Surfer

[Jcogginsa]

Midora, from the Toriko series, steps up to take on the 616 incarnation of the Silver Surfer

[Nik Hasta]

I mean, if he's able to get some hits in then Surfer will know he's been a fight but... nah Midora isn't going to beat him and he can't really counter transmutation.

[Morning]

The big problem is speed. Midora is somewhere above lightspeed, but not by whatever large multiple a PIS-free Surfer should be. Otherwise, he's got the attack power and esoterics to possibly make this a fight. Possibly because some of his powers are kind of abstract and it's hard to predict how it would work in any situation we haven't seen yet.

he can't really counter transmutation.

Minority World + Gourmet Luck, honestly. Even as the majority of his molecules are being rearranged, luck will ensure a few haven't yet and that it's enough to activate Minority World, making that few the majority again.

Or something like that. Possibly. Luck based powers are tricky. But the point is a speed-equalized Midora would be a complicated guy to put down.

[Jcogginsa]

The big problem is speed. Midora is somewhere above lightspeed, but not by whatever large multiple a PIS-free Surfer should be. Otherwise, he's got the attack power and esoterics to possibly make this a fight. Possibly because some of his powers are kind of abstract and it's hard to predict how it would work in any situation we haven't seen yet.



Minority World + Gourmet Luck, honestly. Even as the majority of his molecules are being rearranged, luck will ensure a few haven't yet and that it's enough to activate Minority World, making that few the majority again.

Or something like that. Possibly. Luck based powers are tricky. But the point is a speed-equalized Midora would be a complicated guy to put down.

IIRC. Midora Blitz'd Joie, who is FTL in there own right, and from the dialogue it was casual, so that says big things about his speed

[Morning]

IIRC. Midora Blitz'd Joie, who is FTL in there own right, and from the dialogue it was casual, so that says big things about his speed

Yeah, but that puts him, generously, at maybe 2-3x FTL. Surfer, regularly and under his own propulsion, zips around light years in seconds. Under the logic that a person has to be able to react at a speed proportional to their own travel (or else be wildly out of control), 3x light speed might as well be normal human speed as far as Norrin's concerned.

For what it's worth, I've given it more thought I believe Midora would win if speed weren't a factor. Gourmet Luck is too hax--however, unlike normal food luck, he has to consciously activate it.

[Nik Hasta]

Isn't luck in Toriko a finite resource?

...

Looked through the relevant chapters and while it is finite what you need to do drain it effectively is consistent application of pretty wild attacks or be Neo and just devour it wholesale.

Midora is a difficult character to figure out.

[Captain Morgan]

. Under the logic that a person has to be able to react at a speed proportional to their own travel (or else be wildly out of control), .

That logic holds no merit here. Travel speed isn't reaction speed. Luckily Surfer also has insane reaction feats like conducting a thorough search of the entire earth in the time it takes someone to say like a sentence and a half.

[Morning]

That logic holds no merit here. Travel speed isn't reaction speed. Luckily Surfer also has insane reaction feats like conducting a thorough search of the entire earth in the time it takes someone to say like a sentence and a half.

Is that a reaction feat, though? We don't know how he conducted the search. He might have just sensed everyone on the planet at the same time.

I understand not counting travel speed if you're on, like, a spaceship. But if you're flying to a planet at light speed under your own power, that planet is therefore approaching you at light speed too. Seeing it coming with enough time to stop right in front of it, or carefully swerve around it seems like a textbook reaction speed feat.

[The Arbiter]

Surfer also has other stuff like observing an individual and calculating where they will reappear /mid-teleport/.

So, let's take Superman flying in space for a second. Dude travels like a billion times faster then on Earth but still manages to stop at the right planet. Is that "reaction times"? Or is it working in conjunction with his other super senses like telescopic vision identifying the approaching world waaay in advance so he can make adjustments? Same with Surfer's cosmic awareness.

[Slade1]

Is that a reaction feat, though? We don't know how he conducted the search. He might have just sensed everyone on the planet at the same time.

If he could do that, why would he leave? He could of done it right there.

[Morning]

If he could do that, why would he leave? He could of done it right there.

To get higher ground, as is typical of long range broadcasting/receiving.

EDIT: again, it's off panel so we can only speculate. But why would a guy with cosmic awareness and every kind of super sense need to, like, physically fly around to search or whatever it is you're implying?

[The Arbiter]

To get higher ground, as is typical of long range broadcasting/receiving.

EDIT: again, it's off panel so we can only speculate. But why would a guy with cosmic awareness and every kind of super sense need to, like, physically fly around to search or whatever it is you're implying?

He specifically noted he intended to make a "thorough" search of the planet as opposed to a passive scan.

Also, conflating the Power Cosmic with like... radio waves or whatever you are doing feels way off. Surfer has picked up on events happening light years away before in /real time/.

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

He specifically noted he intended to make a "thorough" search of the planet as opposed to a passive scan.

Also, conflating the Power Cosmic with like... radio waves or whatever you are doing feels way off. Surfer has picked up on events happening light years away before in /real time/.

Pfft. Radio Waves can do that cuz Superman.

[Cronus]

Is that a reaction feat, though? We don't know how he conducted the search. He might have just sensed everyone on the planet at the same time.

In fact, Dr Strange had just conducted an astral search for Rick Jones...so why would Norrin, in essence, do the same with cosmic awareness? If he were using cosmic awareness, he would never have had to move.

I understand not counting travel speed if you're on, like, a spaceship. But if you're flying to a planet at light speed under your own power, that planet is therefore approaching you at light speed too. Seeing it coming with enough time to stop right in front of it, or carefully swerve around it seems like a textbook reaction speed feat.

It depends. Generally, what you're describing has little to do with reaction speed.

[Captain Morgan]

Is that a reaction feat, though? We don't know how he conducted the search. He might have just sensed everyone on the planet at the same time.

I understand not counting travel speed if you're on, like, a spaceship. But if you're flying to a planet at light speed under your own power, that planet is therefore approaching you at light speed too. Seeing it coming with enough time to stop right in front of it, or carefully swerve around it seems like a textbook reaction speed feat.

The thing is, if he was just scanning with cosmic awareness for example he wouldn't have needed to leave in the first place. While it is nebulous what his search actually consisted of, it is still pretty absurd.

The thing about space is that it is really big and really empty. If you plot a course well it should be easy enough to straight line without hitting anything, and Surfer (or other Heralds, or Superman, Thor, or Green Lanterns) definitely have the sensory capacity to pull that off.

But more importantly, that just isn't how comics work. Lobo is at best a bullet timer but he's speeds through space on a bike (with no onboard navigation) by just turning the handle bars. I can dig up scans of a ringless Hal Jordan specifically disabling the navigation program on an extremely FTL ship so it could go as fast as possible and then manually steering the thing past planets. That's explicitly what he's doing with his fighter pilot reflexes.

Regardless of whether it actually makes sense, that's just comics.