"Sir, does this mean that Ann Margret's not coming?"
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"One of the maddening but beautiful things about comics is that you have to give characters a sense of change without changing them so much that they violate the essence of who they are." ~ Ann Nocenti, Chris Claremont's X-Men.
Well, yeah. We do know the rules as far as how a character's powers work, in this instance the Silver Surfer's cosmic awareness.
So, he doesn't need to move as the scans below indicate, to search on the other side of a galaxy.
Fantastic Four 585.1 - Surfer locates on other side of milky way galaxy.jpg
Fantastic Four 585.2 - Surfer locates on other side of milky way galaxy.jpg
Indeed, that is what you are arguing...
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So, you freely admit the Surfer left to make a search, yet according to you, only used his power cosmic? Given that the above scans show he can search a galaxy away WITHOUT moving, why would he ever need his board? Why leave at all?
Later, we have Hulk's comment, after Norrin's search:
Silver Surfer vol. 3, Annual 5.6 - Banners comment about search.jpg
Why would Banner be impressed by the esoteric use of the Surfer's cosmic awareness? He was remarking about how fast he conducted the search.
On Rumbles, we like to actually consider context, which you seem to be ignoring.
Indeed, contrast that with the fact that when normally using cosmic awareness, his thought is drawn out an deliberate. Oh...and not moving at all.
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My suggestion? Re-read the scan posted by Pendaran...slowly. Then take note that the Surfer does not need to physically move to make a search using his cosmic awareness.
Last edited by Cronus; 09-09-2019 at 09:50 PM.
"Sir, does this mean that Ann Margret's not coming?"
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"One of the maddening but beautiful things about comics is that you have to give characters a sense of change without changing them so much that they violate the essence of who they are." ~ Ann Nocenti, Chris Claremont's X-Men.
More scans, tracks someone through the TIME STREAM. Notice, he doesn't move.
Silver Surfer vol. 3, 138.3 - Surfer tracks Alicias activity through time.jpg
Look, ma! No hands!
Cosmic Powers Unlimited 5.1 - Surfer know Gladiator's weakness (2).jpg
Silver Surfer vol. 1, 3.3 - tracks Mephisto to hell.jpg
"Sir, does this mean that Ann Margret's not coming?"
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"One of the maddening but beautiful things about comics is that you have to give characters a sense of change without changing them so much that they violate the essence of who they are." ~ Ann Nocenti, Chris Claremont's X-Men.
My problem is that aside from the fact that it involved a least a little flying, we don't know how he did it. You may choose to believe it involved a little flying or a lot of flying, an optical search or some other kind; but there's no way to know because he has options.
As an analogy, consider all the time Spider-Man flips through gun fire. We know he can react to bullets in flight, but the artwork doesn't usually go out of its way to make it clear if that's what he's doing in any particular page. When he zips around like this he might be bullet-timing, but he might be aim dodging, or he might just know what spots to avoid with precog: https://tinyurl.com/y4znbowl So even though his bullet-timing speed is not in question, thanks to other feats, a panel that just shows him flipping through gunfire shouldn't be cited as proof.
That's what this Surfer page is, an example too vague to quantify.
Last edited by Morning; 09-10-2019 at 02:34 PM.
What does "do a search" mean? In your mind, does he flying around the world? Does he visit every country individually? Does he fly straight up to get a better, but static view? Does he fly to Reed's house to borrow the "Fantastic World Scanner"?
Since the entire question of how fast he'd need to be to accomplish this feat hinges on how much he flying he does, the fact that we have no way to infer it is the disqualifying detail.
I apologize if I missed the answer, but I feel like I've been asking for a while what precisely this feat is. If you are saying he flew far, then how far?
EDIT: better yet, why don't we just drop it honestly? It isn't necessary right now, with Surfer's other speed feats, and the snark is getting tiresome.
Last edited by Morning; 09-10-2019 at 03:41 PM.
Strange doesn't say esoteric scanning, in general, isn't working.
He says his astral senses are blurred due to mystic interference. Surfer possessing numerous super-human-but-non-astral senses and a non-mystic powerset makes its relevance unclear. Obviously your personal reading can fill in the gaps with whatever you want.
Treating context as optional and reaching to the point of saying, in a scan, where a guy says he's going to go search the planet and flies off to do so, "well maybe he instead did X, Y or Z", is not much of an argument, and repeating the words "personal reading" do not change it into one.
Your entire argument is you, repeating over and over "since technically it didn't actually show him not using cosmic awareness/getting a machine/doing something else, I can say those were totally meant to be how this situation should be read." He flies off, he comes back, he says he's going to search the planet. Anything else is you deciding you want to stake this out as your hill to fight on no matter how convolutedly you have to reach.
It's a scan of a guy saying "I'm going to go look for something" and physically flying off. Everything else is you trying to claim something is "nebulous" on incredibly thin, context distorting grounds.
Last edited by Pendaran; 09-10-2019 at 03:55 PM.
Minority World does have limits though. It couldn't overcome/force regeneration of stuff eaten by Neo for example and there were occasions in their fight when Neo/Acacia threw attacks at Midora and he's like "Nope, that's too big," I don't think it's quite the fight winner you're pushing it as.
I was thinking of his Hungry Whip in his final exchanges with Neo/Acacia. The scale on Toriko's world is a bit hard to figure out but he definitely was more than capable of messing up an earth-sized planet.I'm curious as to which feat this was.
I'm still dubious. Surfer hangs out in suns and black holes with no real damage. That's pretty absurd. Midora is stupidly hard to hurt permanently and he regenerates absurdly quickly.So yeah, I think he can hurt Surfer just fine.
All that said, did Midora ever use Back Channel? That would surely help cover the speed issue.