Was Cyclops already over Jean before Emma came along?

[spirit2011]

When/How?
I honestly don't remember.

I odn't know how or any details. But I 've heard lots of rumors of him bringing her back, never researched because it makes no difference. After Maddie, Ororo, Jean is his fave character. he fought to bring her back first time.

[PsychoEFrost]

Look, as somebody who has been in a position fairly similar to Jean's myself, there's no world in which abuse is better than cheating.

^THIS^

I have personal experience with both these things. My mom cheating on my step-mom was bad. My dad throwing my mom down a flight of stairs, and punching her til he fractured her face was MUCH WORSE.

[PsychoEFrost]

Claremont wrote the best Jean story, on eof the most iconincs on comics. He even tried to being her back when Morrison killed her, just a gentleman
and he didn't bandoned the comics to go writer batman/superman. Morrison simply didn't cared



At least that way Scott would be the bad guy instead of absolute leader of X-men

You didn't answer my question.

There is no planet where cheating is worse than assault, rape, or murder. Absolutely none.

[spirit2011]

You didn't answer my question.

There is no planet where cheating is worse than assault, rape, or murder. Absolutely none.

No, it's not. cheating isn't worse than murder, assault

[lancer]

I odn't know how or any details. But I 've heard lots of rumors of him bringing her back, never researched because it makes no difference. After Maddie, Ororo, Jean is his fave character. he fought to bring her back first time.

Claremont fought to bring her back in 1986? No, he wanted her to stay dead. And he wasn't ordered to kill her. It was hs and Byrne's idea to kill her. Oh, not from the start. But when Shooter nixed their original story, printed in PHOENIX THE UNTOLD STORY, he wanted her punished for eternity on some prison planet. They said, screw that, we'd rather kill her.

[phoenixzero23]

Claremont fought to bring her back in 1986? No, he wanted her to stay dead. And he wasn't ordered to kill her. It was hs and Byrne's idea to kill her. Oh, not from the start. But when Shooter nixed their original story, printed in PHOENIX THE UNTOLD STORY, he wanted her punished for eternity on some prison planet. They said, screw that, we'd rather kill her.

Exactly

Every interview with Claremont when the topic arises he says that Jean should stay dead.
It would have been weird for him to try to bring her back.

[spirit2011]

Claremont fought to bring her back in 1986? No, he wanted her to stay dead. And he wasn't ordered to kill her. It was hs and Byrne's idea to kill her. Oh, not from the start. But when Shooter nixed their original story, printed in PHOENIX THE UNTOLD STORY, he wanted her punished for eternity on some prison planet. They said, screw that, we'd rather kill her.

Claremont wanted Maddie to be Jean without memories, I guess it was a massive mess up by editorial that he had to screw over Maddie.

[Wolverine12]

I just finished re-reading the Morrison run last night. I wanted to do that before I posted in this thread because honestly I didn't remember much in exact detail. Having read it fresh I would say that Scott and Jean were both heading in different directions the way they were written, I don't think they were "over" each other, but they both made passes at other people (Emma and Logan) so to me the relationship was cracking. That however is part of marriage, some couples work through it, some ignore it and resent each other and some break up/cheat. I think they still loved each other and could have worked through their issues, but that's not the road Morrison wanted to explore. I voted "it's complicated."

[lancer]

Claremont wanted Maddie to be Jean without memories, I guess it was a massive mess up by editorial that he had to screw over Maddie.

No, that isn't what he wanted. He did not intend for Maddie to be Jean.

[Shreene]

No, that isn't what he wanted. He did not intend for Maddie to be Jean.

Actually, that's exactly what Claremont wanted and got when all was said and done via Louise Simonson...

[phoenixzero23]

No, that isn't what he wanted. He did not intend for Maddie to be Jean.

Maddie being Jean and recovering her memories would be so cool
No cocoon, no deaths, no controversy.

[spirit2011]

Actually, that's exactly what Claremont wanted and got when all was said and done via Louise Simonson...

Sometimes things go back to us in different ways...

[SiegePerilous02]

I just finished re-reading the Morrison run last night. I wanted to do that before I posted in this thread because honestly I didn't remember much in exact detail. Having read it fresh I would say that Scott and Jean were both heading in different directions the way they were written, I don't think they were "over" each other, but they both made passes at other people (Emma and Logan) so to me the relationship was cracking. That however is part of marriage, some couples work through it, some ignore it and resent each other and some break up/cheat. I think they still loved each other and could have worked through their issues, but that's not the road Morrison wanted to explore. I voted "it's complicated."

Exactly. It's set up to be a tragic outcome because they lost the chance to work it out when the probably could have.
But now they have a chance. Comics being comics where death is not permanent, I expect that even if Morrison killed Jean without any editorial interference, he expected her to be brought back eventually. He would not establish something like the Phoenix Egg otherwise.

Scott loved Jean throughout the run. He was in a deep depression, not handling it well, and his stating he felt his marriage was a sham while in this state does not have to be taken at face value. He realized too late what he was losing as she died, as Logan basically said he would a few issues earlier. It was very complicated and human.

[Kitty&Piotr<3]

Jean said I love you several times to Logan while married.

While we are making up our own X-Men stories, remember that time Storm made it rain on the sun?

[Shreene]

While we are making up our own X-Men stories, remember that time Storm made it rain on the sun?

Quoted for truth! Although, nowadays, Ororo can create and destroy entire solar systems at a whim while having tea with Eternity and Oblivion when she's not pretending to be a human mutant