Common courtesy for what?
Using a first name name?
The name was already used as pointed out by others. Decades ago under different verses. And Jonathan Elliot was Moore's kid. Jonathan Kent was earth 22.
Jurgens does not own anything here. DC does. Ergo there is no common courtesy. And all this talk of popular? Sales is the biggest gauge for a concept to be deemed successful. Miller's books, whether you like them or not , have consistently sold well. Superman's sales have been shared every month here on the forum and it has shown it remains a middling property regardless what DC does. It does not matter whether he is married or single or a dad. The fandom is not monolithic. People have different tastes and expectations. You cannot judge all fandom.
If DC can wipe out years of history to prop status quos or take Superman's history for Jon , I doubt they will quibble over a first name.
Wasn't the Jonathan name DC's idea (not Jurgens') to make him more marketable or something? I think someone on the forum (Superlad93?) said he read that or am I misremembering?
Last edited by Last Son of Krypton; 09-15-2019 at 10:06 AM.
I know that earth one and earth two are different. But, clark kent is the identity given to him on earth. Kent is the surname of his adopted parents. So, no matter what he will always be a kent.
Well talk about, contradicting behaviour. If clark kent/kal el and superman are dead then the guy "Jordan Elliot" wouldn't be giving his son the name jon or hiding an easter egg inside his name. If they were truly dead no part of his life will be affected by them. But, that isn't so jon has powers. And jordan elliot talks like clark kent/superman, walks like clark kent/superman, his mannerisms are like clark/superman and looks like clark kent/superman. So, he is clark kent/superman.This is like saying i would start being "lincoln". If i changed my name on a whim. No, i wouldn't. I would react automatically if my real name is called.
There is a pic with him and Miller and Azz. Ah my bad was 2016 . DK3 was published in 2015.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BIlYgfPguSk/
But an interview confirms DC asked them in 2013 to play with the DK verse ergo DK3.
https://www.denofgeek.com/us/books-c...he-master-race
Ah, ok.
I guess the pitch for Master Race is even "older" than I though.But an interview confirms DC asked them in 2013 to play with the DK verse ergo DK3.
https://www.denofgeek.com/us/books-c...he-master-race
Seriously? That the kid's name is Jon just like the canon kid is a controversy here somehow? What in Rao's name does that matter? Why can't an AU reuse a name? Of all things to make into an issue, this is the least problematic of them all.
Edit: And the kid's name has nothing to do with the Lois/WW debate! Aren't there shipping threads for that crap? Some AU version of "Jon" being WW's son takes nothing away from Lois, it's an AU!
Last edited by Vakanai; 09-15-2019 at 10:34 AM.
Oh yeah. Frank I read handpicked Grampa. Grampa's work as we discussed before on the smww thread has a bold kinetic feel, and way more refined than Miller's wild pencils, so would work for the verse the same way Kubert did.
The concept of Jonathan as a floating Buddha must have been stewing in Frank's head a while. If I were a writer I would be so stoked to write a kid like him. The factor of magic means you can go wild.
The easy answer is that it doesn't matter. At all. Feelings of ownership and exclusivity can crop up for many of reasons of which I won't blanket assume any individual here, everyone has their own reasons. But the reality is this: mainstream Jon is only the next in a line of quite a few "Jon Kents" spanning back decades, not all of them being carried by a Lois Lane, because the main feeling behind the name has always had the most to do with Clark and his love and adoration for his father, and that writers similarly have wanted to capture that. And of course in virtually all versions of the character, canon or alternate, Clark loves his Pa very, very much. That's why the mother has been sometimes interchangeable in that regard. Its not sexism at play, just a pragmatic look at the reason the name has cropped up so often in so many different iterations. Its far more a father/son thing than a husband/wife thing. It just is. Mainstream Jon is different from others of course in that this is a canon version, so some claim of ownership might want to be assumed amongst fandom, but the history simply shows it is not. Will that change in the future? Maybe. But still probably doubtful. Like others have said, Damian's popularity in canon hasn't stopped DC from allowing alternate tales to explore other avenues for different incarnations of the boy in regards to origin/parentage.
Last edited by Sacred Knight; 09-15-2019 at 11:19 AM.
"They can be a great people Kal-El, they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. For this reason above all, their capacity for good, I have sent them you. My only son." - Jor-El
I don't know much other than what I read about him. But looks like he has done some good stuff and does not do much comic work...so that he is willing to do this is promising. Also seems he adores Miller. Calls him "Sensei ".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafael_Gramp%C3%A1