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    Quote Originally Posted by regg215 View Post
    Adding diversity to stories is completely fine and I do think it's good marvel is making that effort but I really wish they would go with the Miles Morales route where he exists alongside Peter Parker as opposed to just changing the character for the sake of change. If the MCU really wants to present a more diverse version of the X-men, I hope they will just go the route of putting the focus and presenting a great version of characters like, Storm, Bishop, Monet, Sunfire and Darwin instead of just changing characters like Magneto and Prof X.
    Its the best way to do it, its the only way do it that would not draw unnecessary backlash. why change the races when you have many minorities already like Bishop, Monet, Sunfire.

    You have to appreciate the conception of Spiderverse. there was no need to make Peter Parker black, they already had Miles Morales. he was the only that sold that movie to everyone's surprise, the third act of that film was the best spiderman live action moment I have seen and it was not peter parker. that is a rare feat.
    Spiderverse is how to do diversity that won't be forced. If MCU really cares about diversity, they will use the spiderverse model for their X-Men movies.

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    We also can't act like the audience doesn't play a role in this too. When you have historical asian figures and egyptian figures and other characters where the story is even taking place in their country/time period being played by white actors and the audience doesn't seem to have a problem. Why should someone take it as valid now when that same audience is getting upset over when it happens in fiction and trying to make it sound as though that is important to the integrity of the character. There are a lot of elements at play in a situation like this. And people aren't wrong to say well it's been happening for years, Why do you have a problem now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackraow21 View Post
    Magnetoís history is equally specific regarding him being a white Jew who survived the Holocaust. Itís kind of a huge part of who he is as a character, what drives him and what makes him a sympathetic villain.
    Wasn't he Romani before he was Jewish? (Yet another minority that got rounded up by the Nazis for their camps.) I don't even remember...

    I'm not sure that he's 'always' been Jewish, so while I can see the questionable optics of making him no-longer-Jewish, I'm pretty sure he's changed ethnicity already once before, and it's only his younger fans who think of him as 'always been Jewish.'

    There's plenty of 'sympathetic' ethnic purges one could have survived, like the Cambodian killing fields or the Stalinist purges or the Hutu/Tutsi genocides or the Cherokee Trail of Tears or what happened to the native Tasmanians, so he doesn't *have* to be a Jewish Holocaust survivor to draw on that well. Sadly, there are plenty to go around, and it's not like a misery porn competition of 'the atrocity that happened to my people is so much more horrible-er than whatever tragedy you are talking about.'

    MCU Magneto's super unlikely to be the father of MCU Wanda (and Pietro), so it doesn't matter much if he's not the same race as them. And tying a character meant to be active in the 2020 era MCU with a war that happened in 1940 seems like it would be kind of a pain. No need to over complicate it with retarded aging / stasis chamber / younger clones nonsense, just do what was done with Tony Stark and bump his origin story up (in Tony's case from Vietnam to Afghanistan). Him having been a child-soldier and survivor of a genocidal campaign in Africa hits the same sort of emotional beats (granted, some viewers may not find it as personally resonant, since they don't regard bad things happening to black people in Africa as being as horrible as bad things happening to white people in Europe...), and could result in the appropriate characterization / motivations for a modern version of Magneto, as a WW2 Holocaust survivor to the previous generation.

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    They can make up a fictional Genocide from a fictional nation it doesn't have to be a real historical Genocide. Magneto could literally be any race they want because at this point I think the MCU are on a roll and can completely stop following the comics and create their own original characters and stories and I would probably still enjoy them more than the comics they took inspiration from. They could even take a short cut and make Magneto a survivor of a Genocide in Genosha and make up some details about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    Seven Samurai will always be the superior film.

    The same goes for Yojimbo and Last Man Standing. Last Man Standing has a great director/a great performance in the central role/a great soundtrack, and it is still a vastly lesser film.

    You are making on of the best arguments there is for not doing anything like this.
    It doesn't matter what you think is better you can't tell Seven Samurai the same way today. Changes have to be made if you want to tell story in modern era. Whether you think one is forever better that is fine there is clear merit in retelling the story today. The Magnificent Seven is pretty good film on it on merits and the spirit of the story was told and to a new audience. One that might not have watch a black and white samurai movie.


    If we are using the phrase "force diversity" ? Doesn't mean there is lack of diversity being forced as well? and hasn't a lack of diversity has been always forced?. We should we wait when they can do the reverse process and even things up? We are in 2019 We have ONE female lead movie from Marvel and DC, We have ONE POC lead movie from Marvel and DC, ZERO LGBTQ leads in Marvel and DC movies. Here is the funny thing force diversity got us "Aquaman", The Eternals are forced diversity, Harley Quinn and long stupid name is forced diversity. If Diversity wasn't being "forced" what would the majority of the those films be? They certain ain't pushing out a bunch of "Luke Cages" and "Black Lightings" tv shows and movies you know stuff done "the right way". I am lucky enough for progress to see someone who looks like me in these films but imagine being Gay,Asian,Middle eastern descent and Latino. How long have they been waiting to see a major character that reflects them in this genre.

    For the X-men the people we think as the core group are Cyclops, Jean, Beast, Iceman, Angel, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Wolverine, Kitty, Rogue and Storm. 1 out of the 9 characters is racial minority. I will repeat it again they same people who complain about race swaps will complain that Darwin, M, Sunfire, Bishop,etc are being used before core important characters people want to see. You will see the same decrees of force diversity then too. Or we going to pretend that people didn't throw hissy fits when Miles was made Spiderman in UU or Cyborg was add as a founder . They will never be a right way for some people

    Now I will repeat again Magneto isn't character I would probably choose to make a change in background. But they are circumstances that might happen because of MCU telling of X-men that opens option to go a different and I am not opposed to them going in that direction if they think it is the best option. In the same way Psylocke on the MCU is going to be another case of where they can go in a different direction because of the set up, They can make Betsy an asian from birth scrap that convoluted backstory or They can go with Kwannon always being Psylocke. They are bunch of things for X-men where they will have choices. Lastly the report was Magneto AND Professor X are up for POC playing the part.They could easily change Xavier who would bring less complaining about a change.
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    I'm sure that they will change the race of at least one hero and it will be Jean Gray. Because Marvel hates redheads.

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    I personally cannot get with the idea. To me its ridiculous. Changing Magneto's racial identity isn't pushing more diversity for diversity's sake. Its patronizing, uninspired and intellectually dishonest. As it's already been mentioned by a few people here, the actual minority characters they already have are worth a greater push. Their voices deserve a larger platform. This potential Rachel Dolezal level charade really is something to ponder.

    In more ways than one this feels like an attempt to assuage some guilt of ignoring the the black mutants that have been relegated to the background. No amount of racial identity swapped Magneto will ever make up for tokenized, whitewashed Storm, Monet or Sunspot. It certainly won't make up for the character assassination of Bishop. Nor will it ever make Maggot a cool character concept for little black boys to aspire to. I'm really hoping the creatives for the MCU mutants has the sense and the balls to avoid this garbage with Magneto. I really do. With every fiber of my being I hope they honestly do better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamall View Post
    I'm sure that they will change the race of at least one hero and it will be Jean Gray. Because Marvel hates redheads.
    There are natural red heads of other races. Asians, black, Latin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by terrancejameson View Post
    I personally cannot get with the idea. To me its ridiculous. Changing Magneto's racial identity isn't pushing more diversity for diversity's sake. Its patronizing, uninspired and intellectually dishonest. As it's already been mentioned by a few people here, the actual minority characters they already have are worth a greater push. Their voices deserve a larger platform. This potential Rachel Dolezal level charade really is something to ponder.

    In more ways than one this feels like an attempt to assuage some guilt of ignoring the the black mutants that have been relegated to the background. No amount of racial identity swapped Magneto will ever make up for tokenized, whitewashed Storm, Monet or Sunspot. It certainly won't make up for the character assassination of Bishop. Nor will it ever make Maggot a cool character concept for little black boys to aspire to. I'm really hoping the creatives for the MCU mutants has the sense and the balls to avoid this garbage with Magneto. I really do. With every fiber of my being I hope they honestly do better.

    Yet it didn't cheapen the characters like Cleopatra when she was essentially made white. No one is complaining that Jesus was race bended to appear lighter with blue eyes. So why now is it such garbage and a travesty?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jwatson View Post
    There are natural red heads of other races. Asians, black, Latin.
    Yeah, like 0,01% out of 100.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamall View Post
    Yeah, like 0,01% out of 100.
    More than actual mutants in real life. ��
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    Quote Originally Posted by jwatson View Post
    Yet it didn't cheapen the characters like Cleopatra when she was essentially made white. No one is complaining that Jesus was race bended to appear lighter with blue eyes. So why now is it such garbage and a travesty?
    This where you and I have to agree to disagree. My argument is that both of those portrayals are cheapened because of their push to normalize white supremacy. White Cleopatra is worthless and uninspired. Don't even get me started on the version of jesus christ that's been used to pillage and plunder black countries and communities for wealth, resources and land. The examples you've provided are morally and intellectually bankrupt. The images they invoke do far greater harm to black consciousness and only serve as base attempts to whiteness on a pedestal for all to look up to. If anything movies need to me made to undo those terrible portrayal of whitewashed black people. It's one of the reasons I have no problem with the new Ariel being played by a black girl. The very first mermaid and ocean diety was that of a black African goddess: Yameya.



    A black magneto serves two purposes as I see it. He will never not be associated with Ian Mckellen and Michael Fassbender so the image of the white original will always be in the back of the minds of many. There will always be the thought that his white jewish identity is the most genuine. Then it places him in a setting that robs the conceptualized black characters of telling a story that feels natural to them. Magneto is all about his treatment in nazi concentration camps. It fuels his character and informs all of his decisions. Now we are to assume that now they'll place just as much emphasis on his blackness? Really? Have they even managed to do this for their resident black female that warrants celebrity status alongside Captain Marvel and Invisible Woman? Come on.

    You're prepared to believe that the MCU is ready to give Magneto a scene like this one, but Storm can't even get one in the X-books? To me this would be such a slap in the face to the actual black mutants. Magneto should not be the one to have this sort of conversation. He just shouldn't be. Create some black jewish characters. Leave Magneto as he is. Push the black mutants we already have and create more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sutekh View Post
    Wasn't he Romani before he was Jewish? (Yet another minority that got rounded up by the Nazis for their camps.) I don't even remember...

    I'm not sure that he's 'always' been Jewish, so while I can see the questionable optics of making him no-longer-Jewish, I'm pretty sure he's changed ethnicity already once before, and it's only his younger fans who think of him as 'always been Jewish.'

    There's plenty of 'sympathetic' ethnic purges one could have survived, like the Cambodian killing fields or the Stalinist purges or the Hutu/Tutsi genocides or the Cherokee Trail of Tears or what happened to the native Tasmanians, so he doesn't *have* to be a Jewish Holocaust survivor to draw on that well. Sadly, there are plenty to go around, and it's not like a misery porn competition of 'the atrocity that happened to my people is so much more horrible-er than whatever tragedy you are talking about.'

    MCU Magneto's super unlikely to be the father of MCU Wanda (and Pietro), so it doesn't matter much if he's not the same race as them. And tying a character meant to be active in the 2020 era MCU with a war that happened in 1940 seems like it would be kind of a pain. No need to over complicate it with retarded aging / stasis chamber / younger clones nonsense, just do what was done with Tony Stark and bump his origin story up (in Tony's case from Vietnam to Afghanistan). Him having been a child-soldier and survivor of a genocidal campaign in Africa hits the same sort of emotional beats (granted, some viewers may not find it as personally resonant, since they don't regard bad things happening to black people in Africa as being as horrible as bad things happening to white people in Europe...), and could result in the appropriate characterization / motivations for a modern version of Magneto, as a WW2 Holocaust survivor to the previous generation.
    It's not about "always been Jewish". But it's what Claremont wrote up and wanted..the greatest X writer ever.

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    I’m actually don’t want to see Charlie and Eric playing a big role in the new films, let the other mutants shine. Storm and Bishop for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwatson View Post
    Yet it didn't cheapen the characters like Cleopatra when she was essentially made white. No one is complaining that Jesus was race bended to appear lighter with blue eyes. So why now is it such garbage and a travesty?
    Um, people have been complaining about Jesus being depicted as white for quite some time now.

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