It really is a weird situation when I see 1940s comics like the Spirit that feature black characters like Ebony White being treated with respect and shown with competence, yet at the same time is also shown with a minstrel-esque appearance and speech patterns.
And in speaking of which, there was even one comic I came across from 1942, called How Boys and Girls Can Help Win the War, which includes a page that promotes the idea of "no racial intolerance," yet also shows a black person as a stereotyped caricature.
I have no idea what "toy" post you're talking about. I'm not responding to a post about toys I'm responding to you, thinking it's okay for you to dictate an acceptable use policy regarding implementation of minority characters and more broadly minority representation in general media when you clearly have no idea what you're talking about because it's never effected you.
I don't know your imaginary friend so I don't really care if he's "self sufficient". It sure is telling that your assumption of black people that don't agree with you is that they are somehow financially, or mentally deficient though.
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This is a lot of drama for I have an OPINION on ways policies do and do not work and seeing as the post you're this displeased with contains the comment I was responding to, it's not hard to find.
Again, bad faith interpretation of what I said. If you care to reread my comments, I did not deny there are situations outside people's control that call for intervention, I stated I have a friend who is self sufficient who hasn't needed that and that shouldn't be an automatic assumption because of race.
You also have no idea what my life's been, but the character assassination shows a real highground. I'm really sick of defending myself to someone who I can't possibly disagree with or I'm racist, so keep trashing me and derailing the thread, I'm gonna peace out and focus on better things. "Oh, what do you mean by things? Are you being racist." Keep going with that, maybe you'll find someone else gullible enough to fall for it
If you believe in your story just do it. There's going to be people who like it or hate it and some who juts don't get it. But stand by your story, don't retreat into "Oh, I can't do something cuz PC."
If we're taking about Marvel/DC superhero very little is "organic". Tons of beloved characters exist because of editorial mandates.
But Falcon being forced into the Avengers didn't take away from the story, it was the story. The writer wanted to make point about Affirmative Action ( he just wasn't allowed to finish it).
There is no such thing as an "organic" insert of any character. They are ALL invented and inserted at the whim of the writer.
One of Marvel's greatest friendships is Luke Cage and Iron Fist, they were quite literally just tossed together. They had absolutely no reason to be in each others stories.
The Avengers came together "for reasons", the modern X-Men originally got together because Professor X screwed up and said "Well, guess I'll throw together an international team, to rescue the old one."
None of those were the result of years of intricate plotting and build up.
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Going back to Luke Cage, the whole Iron Fist thing is the reason I don't get why some fans are mad about Jess Jones just getting tossed in the mix, seemingly out of the blue.
That's pretty much how Luke has met all of his best friends.
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Political correctness is a broad subject with a changing definition, and what you and most here are talking about is the narrowed down idea of diversity and inclusion. This started out a "tokenism", basically adding a character as some kind of artistic affirmative action to "show" how they are not racist and helps the creator feel a little better about using a scary minority suspect in every other case, the "I have a black friend" method of writing. Most of the tokens added were stereotypical and pushed in the backgrounds when the story didn't call for their trope. A single black character, for example, is forced to be exemplary of his entire race in small segments. This also even brought about the "Positive Discrimination" the wise Native American character that dispenses sage advice, or the Asian martial artist that can fight 20 men at the same time but, only when needed, then back to the background they went. Minorities were a plot device. And that is what passed for "Politically correct" for a time.....but
It is still being practiced today in many forms of media. It fulfills the executives' desire to show they are more ethnically respectful to draw in a minority audience, avoid criticism from minority groups as twitter has become the court room of "Politically correct". And sadly it allows the creators to make race jokes related to a minority in the medium of their work without any shame cough, cough Quentin Tarantino. The Token has been moved up to the main character in some cases but is still filled with tropes and stereotypical characteristics. They are still plot devices just more sugar coated to please a "socially aware" (now know as woke) audience.
So when is "political correctness" done well in comics or any other medium? When it's not part of the creative process, to not fill in a check list. To be a thought out idea without outside pressure that it "needs" to be included rather than it should be there. I would agree that the idea of a check list during the creative process is a weight added that should not be there.
There was a Marvel comic in 2005 from Marvel called Wha...Huh? a play on What If? In it is a story of "What if the Black Panther was white". To shorten the story he was only hired on the Avengers because they thought he was black and that Black Widow was there because she is a woman. Makes on wonder on how much of that parody of tokenism is true.
There are some that believe that forced diversity is a good thing, so, to each his own. The end of the day it is all the choice of the owner and writer of the material to do with it how they see fit, be it from a feeling of social pressure to add certain aspect or to only follow ones creative self. The choice we have as consumers is to buy what we want to see and read, our vocal opinions be they in the majority or minority really mean nothing if a company is making bottom line profit from the material.
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Surely not everybody was kung fu fighting
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