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    Quote Originally Posted by Tendrin View Post
    I mean, I agree with you. Wait, do we actually have someone defending Mandril in this thread? For real?
    I guess you've never had the misfortune of reading his posts before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tendrin View Post
    I mean, I agree with you. Wait, do we actually have someone defending Mandril in this thread? For real?
    KurtW95 is implying that I'm a racist (and somehow that political correctness makes you see things in a racist manner) because I'm using my eyeballs to see that Mandrill is a horrible pile of stereotypes and racist tropes piled on each other

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    Hey I loved Mandrill. He showed a small white child can become a strong black woman.
    But really, someone born with black skin turning into an ape, how is that racist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    Hey I loved Mandrill. He showed a small white child can become a strong black woman.
    But really, someone born with black skin turning into an ape, how is that racist?
    Are you not aware of the common modern and historical 'racial connection' between Africans and Monkeys ? Its one of the more common racial refferences. Hell they recently released some audio of Nixon and Reagan reffering to Afticans as monkeys

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetengine View Post
    Are you not aware of the common modern and historical 'racial connection' between Africans and Monkeys ? Its one of the more common racial refferences. Hell they recently released some audio of Nixon and Reagan reffering to Afticans as monkeys
    I was being sarcastic, apparently not successfully.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    I was being sarcastic, apparently not successfully.
    Eh. It's more of an issue that there are two people in this thread, who have posted in this thread that have basically mirrored that line of thought without any sense of sarcasm.

    I've seen both of you (Kirby and jet) regularly post so I got the sarcasm, but if you haven't bumped into each other's posting circles it might be easy to get it twisted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Things Fall Apart View Post
    I guess you've never had the misfortune of reading his posts before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KurtW95 View Post
    We go way back.
    We really don't.

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    The more I think about, the more I think Mandrill as a villain could work in a modern setting. You'd of course have to lose the ape-man stuff. But we do live in a world where we have trans-racialists like Rachel Dolezal on one hand and self hating negroes like Jesse Lee Peterson on the other. Back in the 80's Howard Chaykin did a story where the criminal was running drugs, prostitution etc and at first you thought it was a black/brown man but at the end it was white guy and it turned out he disguised himself as a black man specifically because he wanted to live out his racist fantasies. Thing is you make it clear in the story that he's racist and self hating, with careful writing I think it could be done.

    What was that story in Ultimates by Mark Millar with black Hulk who was all about that thug life? I say use that character, but show why it's a negative image.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moon Ronin View Post
    There are some that believe that forced diversity is a good thing, so, to each his own. The end of the day it is all the choice of the owner and writer of the material to do with it how they see fit, be it from a feeling of social pressure to add certain aspect or to only follow ones creative self. The choice we have as consumers is to buy what we want to see and read, our vocal opinions be they in the majority or minority really mean nothing if a company is making bottom line profit from the material.
    The issue is those vocal majority and minority IMPACT the bottom line of profit. Because the company has no idea what powers or influence either one has when it comes to that product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KurtW95 View Post
    Nobody was arguing for an all white cast for Spider-Man, rather use the non-white characters that already exist more heavily than changing the white ones and ignoring the non-white ones. They could have used Glory Grant, Hobie Brown, Sha Shan Nguyen, Randy Robertson, Sajani Jaffrey, Robert Farrell, Hector Ayala and more.
    And a TON of folks would agree with you.

    Now here is why you see the race changing versus using who is already there.

    Look at CW's Riverdale-where did all those POC come from? They are NOT in the comics.
    Can anybody name some POC at Archie beside Chuck & Valerie? Raj, Nancy, Tapaz, Frankie, Ginger, Eugene, Amani, Tim & Trey.

    How many POC at Archie got stories with THEM as the lead? Chuck, Raj & Frankie. Chuck was the last one to get a story and that was back in 2009. 2011 marked the LAST time you saw Chuck in Archie's book. Aside from cameos's in Jughead-he doesn't exist.

    Mind you once upon a time-Chuck & Archie were co-leads in a book for almost 100 issues.

    Then you look at Riverdale-all those race changed folks.

    Archie, Veronica, Pops, Dilton & Melody are played by POC (or folks with POC linked to them).
    Stuff like that gets done to FORCE writers to use POC without having to do a LOT of work.

    So while we say use who you HAVE-what is already there is NOT much to work with.
    Especially if you are talking about POC.

    Robert Farrell does NOT have enough stuff to fit a trade. 2 of his stories were written by Tony Isabella and he did those for FUN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tendrin View Post
    We really don't.
    Then maybe you forgot.
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    From memory, the last version of the comics code I read had a near identical definition to that quoted by OP as to how different groups were to be portrayed in comics - so that by the end the code was in part an "sjw" manifesto.

    I never really understand the debate - I thought heroes were supposed to defend the weaker, the disenfranchised etc etc.

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