I voted for the digital garbage bin because that's what all OMD discussions invariably become
A total ban on discussing OMD/One More Day/OMIT. No ifs, ands, and buts.
No ban! It's a major Spider-Man story with lasting impact on continuity.
A separate thread for discussing just that with a sticky but no discussions outside that.
OMD and discussing it doesn't bother me, I couldn't care less.
I voted for the digital garbage bin because that's what all OMD discussions invariably become
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Satire is a different thing, it has a more playful or cheeky connotation. Again, "take down a peg" strikes me as far more antagonistic, as does the idea that all creators think themselves above others.
I'd never say people are above criticism. That's just part of the process. Being laid low on a personal level though, that's a level beyond IMO.I don't think you can write OMD and OMIT, defend it as a concept, and escape ridicule. To quote Oscar Wilde who said of Charles Dickens' Old Curiosity Shop, "You must have a heart of stone to not laugh at Little Nell's death."
Hey, I can only comment on what I immediately see.I myself commended Quesada for being more courageous than for instance the creators of Game of Thrones who have gone off the grid in embarassment about the backlash of the show ans passed the buck to the actors. I also pointed out that Mark Waid is more insightful and empathetic now than he was back then.
But nobody wants to bring that up.
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I don't think you have heard of Jonathan Swift's A Modest Proposal. Or for that matter Harvey Kurtzman's MAD. Or Pat Mills/Kevin O'Neill's MARSHAL LAW.
Satire can be mean-spirited. Great satire can be nasty. Kurtzman's MAD magazine when he wrote it, including satires like Mickey Rodent, Superduperman and Starchie were driven by an overriding hatred and contempt by the author for his targets (Mickey Mouse, Superman, Archie).
Marshal Law even more so. Parody does have a playful and cheeky connotation. Stuff like Mel Brooks and others but actual satire has an edge.
And what does that even mean? I have never once made remarks about anyone's personal life here. What does that even mean?I'd never say people are above criticism. That's just part of the process. Being laid low on a personal level though, that's a level beyond IMO.
Contrary to what the local nuns say I did have a childhood, so yes, I am quite familiar Kurtzman; A Modest Proposal came later. Marshal Law, no.
To your point, satire can indeed be biting and scathing - but as evidenced by many of your examples, I associate satire more with sending up works, genres, positions, views, etc, rather than a person of themselves directly. Only when a person is incredibly prolific people do they tend to get satirised as a caricature, and so comparatively the pool is a bit smaller.
This is the distinction I've been bringing up here: attacking the work vs. attacking the author. I feel one is more positive and conductive to discussions and the other more toxic to general discourse but also the relationship between fan and creator.
And what does that even mean? I have never once made remarks about anyone's personal life here. What does that even mean?
Personal level, I said nothing about personal life. Again, the language you used I felt seemed antagonistic against authors/artists specifically and thus I questioned it to understand why. If we're not talking about their work, if we're talking about their supposed "opinion they have of themselves" or their "self-important halo", then we're talking about them on a personal level, are we not? Unless it's a opinion you have about artists/creators on a generalised level, which is just as curious.
Personally, I feel like people need to be humbled if they've been a terrible trashbag person, not due to a perceived mistake in their work. Does this make sense at all?
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i didn't realize homonyms were difficult for you. my bad
more like people who didn't read the original post and came into the old thread to pile on those who did read the original post caused this new thread. the old thread would have sputtered to its natural death but the ones who wanted the conversation to die kept it going. ironic thatthe people talking about the people talking about omd definitely nailed that ol’ coffin. thankfully we now have a thread for people to talk about the people talking about the people talking about omd
but the actual discussion about the potential future of two characters sputtered out before that
on topic i believe people have free will so if you don't want to talk about omd don't talk about it. problem solved
The poll does seem a bit reductive. There's a fine line between wanting all OMD talk to be in one thread, even if it's relevant to new topics (Marvel releases JMS's One More Day scripts, Quesada announces the follow-up mini series) and not wanting OMD talk in a discussion about an issue about Spider-Man's appearance in Daredevil.
Sincerely,
Thomas Mets
You summed up my feelings pretty well.
It's not that it gets talked about. I think most fans understand that it's going to be a talking point forever. It's the derailments that are the problem. When I start to read a new thread I try to guess how many posts we'll get to before it gets hijacked by posters still upset about OMD. I think the over/under is about a dozen usually.
You're also totally right about it being a small handful of very active posters. At least one seems to have left recently though so maybe it will get better.
I can say I visit this board less than I used to mainly because of the derailments. I wonder how many other visitors either stopped coming or come less than they used to? If it was limited to a comment or two it would be one thing but the relentless, attacking nature of a lot of the posts follows a predictable and never ending pattern.
"Just avoid the OMD threads" isn't a viable option because it only takes one or two OMD-focused posters to turn EVERY thread into an OMD thread.
and you ain't about that pun life huh? that's ok.
also, i see you're not an iggy pop fan.
sooo..basically what i said.more like people who didn't read the original post and came into the old thread to pile on those who did read the original post caused this new thread. the old thread would have sputtered to its natural death but the ones who wanted the conversation to die kept it going. ironic that
ps. the more catty you get, the more i think i love you.
troo fan or death
sorry, gramps
that would carry more weight if jack hadn’t needed to point you to the first postsooo..basically what i said.
most do. ‘tis my curseps. the more catty you get, the more i think i love you.
um now to keep this on topic
okay
how about if people hate the derailment then don’t respond to the derailers. they will eventually get tired of screaming into a void or only at each other
or
maybe this forum needs is a way to mute or ignore users rather than topics. some message boards have that function
or
train yourself not to read posts by users who annoy you
never sheath those claws my glorious man-cat
sooo..basically what i said.that would carry more weight if jack hadn’t needed to point you to the first post
while i'm all for personal responsibility, people are probably not going to change. even when asked politely. but systems can be altered.okay
how about if people hate the derailment then don’t respond to the derailers. they will eventually get tired of screaming into a void or only at each other
or
maybe this forum needs is a way to mute or ignore users rather than topics. some message boards have that function
or
train yourself not to read posts by users who annoy you
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troo fan or death
Doctor Strange: "You are the right person to replace Logan."
X-23: "I know there are people who disapprove... Guys on the Internet mainly."
(All-New Wolverine #4)
Still new to comics so I don't know the history of this, but why don't they just make multiple series with different relationships in each
Baby Thanos