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    Default Villains that permanently went legit?

    What are the former villains that went legit and became good guys, never to return again (apart from maybe an instance or two of backsliding by a bad writer)?

    Just off the top of my head:
    • Hawkeye
    • Quicksilver
    • Scarlet Witch
    • Black Widow
    • Black Knight
    • Wonder Man
    • Rogue
    • Venom
    • Screaming Mimi (now known as Songbird)
    • Beetle (now known as MACH)
    • Emma Frost

    Honorable Mention
    • Sandman (went legit throughout the '80s and '90s, and was even an Avenger, but eventually went back to villainy)

    Anyone else to note?

    Also, we can include honorable mentions for villains who had a long streak of being good, before permanently going back to villainy, just as an extra note.

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    Juggernaut (helped the X-Men and looks like he’s going to join Punisher’s cause of fighting against killers of the kids parents during War of the Realms)
    Atlas (rejected Moonstone’s offer to join her during War of the Realms)
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    Quote Originally Posted by HipHopAvenger View Post
    Juggernaut (helped the X-Men and looks like he’s going to join Punisher’s cause of fighting against killers of the kids parents during War of the Realms)
    Juggernaut's been in a weird place. He had a good run going legit as part of the Thunderbolts, then he joined the X-Men for a while, but went back into villainy... before joining the X-Men again? The recent Rosenberg run, while terrible, did make Juggernaut an X-Man again. It's kind of odd because historically the Juggernaut's been the guy who shows up and just makes life hell.

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    • Frenzy
    • Absorbing Man
    • Songbird
    • Elixir
    • Mimic
    • Danger
    • Diamondback
    • Prowler


    Honorable mention: Random, Omega Red

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    though he's been more anti-hero until pretty recently, Loki's lasted something like 8 years now. Yeah he played the part of villain at times, but it was in a double/undercover agent sort of way, doing shady things on the surface but actually trying to help, even if his methods were kinda messed up.

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    I kinda want to see Black Mamba & Asp dabble in more heroics like Diamondback does

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    Didn't Emma Frost recently leave Scott in order to rejoin the Hellfire Club?
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    Yeah, but that was in the Rosenberg run and it looks like she’ll be going hero again in Marauders.

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    What about constrictor? Did he go legit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by protege View Post
    What about constrictor? Did he go legit?
    The book that showed Frank actually retire then immediately showed how he died, so yes but not really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hybrid View Post
    What are the former villains that went legit and became good guys, never to return again (apart from maybe an instance or two of backsliding by a bad writer)?

    Just off the top of my head:
    • Hawkeye
    • Quicksilver
    • Scarlet Witch
    • Black Widow
    • Black Knight
    • Wonder Man
    • Rogue
    • Venom
    • Screaming Mimi (now known as Songbird)
    • Beetle (now known as MACH)
    • Emma Frost

    Honorable Mention
    • Sandman (went legit throughout the '80s and '90s, and was even an Avenger, but eventually went back to villainy)

    Anyone else to note?

    Also, we can include honorable mentions for villains who had a long streak of being good, before permanently going back to villainy, just as an extra note.
    That's a fairly extensive list and does cover most of the candidates?

    Has ther been a villain who actively tired to reform and failed? I am not talking about Sandman who became a villain again due to mind control (which is stupid), but actually tried to reform and failed to do so, rather then pretending to reform as part of a villainous scheme or becoming mind controlled to be evil again.

    There was a short story from the 90s where Trapster tried to reform and failed and I feel like that would some layers to the characters if they adapted into the comics:

    http://notblogx.blogspot.com/2013/06...-part-six.html

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    Doom comes to mind as a recent example. He tried to go straight, even prior to Secret Wars and Superior Iron Man he was kind of moving in that direction, but then Hood attacked him, he went back to his castle and emerged a villain again.

    Oh. and Superior reminds me, Otto is trying. More anti-hero again, but, he's trying to be better. I hear his book is cancelled, so it may not go any further though.

    Also, come to think of it, Scott Lang who himself is an ex-con hired Grizzly and Machinesmith to work with him, so they went straight. Though Machinesmith was... iffy.

    Porcupine, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shreene View Post
    Didn't Emma Frost recently leave Scott in order to rejoin the Hellfire Club?
    So no way you can call her legit if she changes this often.

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    To be fair, I did cover it with "apart from maybe an instance or two of backsliding by a bad writer".

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