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    1. Once Geoff Johns brought Hal Jordan back in Rebirth that the other Lanterns, Jon Stewart, Guy Gardner and Kyle Rayner got pushed to the background? Or has it been more of an ensemble with the focus shifting between the Lanterns at any given time?

    2. Has GL just been action set piece after action set piece? I think it's weird that it doesn't take breathers to focus on Hal and Carol or any of the other Lantern relationships and other things. Even Superman has his Clark Kent moments and isn't just jumping from BIG BAD to the next BIG BAD. I'm asking as a reader wanting to dive into Green Lantern.

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    1. I mean not really. If you only read the main GL book then yeah all the focus is on Hal. But in GLC, Guy Gardner is basically the main character (though it is an ensemble book mainly) as well as in Red Lantern Corps. Kyle definitely got pushed back...but that's because he was no longer the ONLY GL around, nor the main one anymore, so yeah that was bound to happen. Still got a lot to do in GLC, NG, and Hal and Pals. Jon Stewart has never gotten a lot of focus in the comics honestly. He's gets a lot to do in Hal and Pals though.

    2. Geoff Johns GL run, Tomasi/Gibbons GLC run, and Venditti's Hal and Pals run all have a great mix of character moments and big blockbuster action scenes.

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    It's true that when Hal returned, he once again became the focus and center of the franchise. But I wouldn't say the others got totally pushed into the background. Not long after Hal's solo started they did a Kyle maxiseries and a GLC team book. They were all carrying books as either co-stars or solo leads for a good chunk of time, and villains like Sinestro and Larfleeze and the Red Lanterns had titles too. The other earth Lanterns have faded in and out of the GL titles over the years but they're never out of sight for too long.

    But there's no question that Hal is the star and has been since Rebirth.

    And yeah, I think the book has been Big Bad after Big Bad for a long time. I feel like the last time I remember anyone's personal life getting much attention, outside of a romantic subplot here or there, was around the time of Infinite Crisis when Hal was still spending time on earth, working for the Air Force, living in Coast City, and dating Cowgirl. I've skipped a whole bunch of runs since Johns left though, so I could have just missed stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    the last time I remember anyone's personal life getting much attention, outside of a romantic subplot here or there, was around the time of Infinite Crisis when Hal was still ... dating Cowgirl.
    He dated a girl named what? I thought this was some kind of weird autocorrect thing for the two seconds it took me to look it up and see it was really a character's name...
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    Not like it was her given name - that was just her call-sign, the way Hal's was "Highball."

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    Quote Originally Posted by j9ac9k View Post
    Not like it was her given name - that was just her call-sign, the way Hal's was "Highball."
    Correct, I believe her name was Jillian Pearlman, if memory serves. I reread the Johns run up until Brightest Day a few months back and that seems right to me.

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    Cowgirl was pretty cool, and it sucks we haven't seen her since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CTTT View Post
    1. Once Geoff Johns brought Hal Jordan back in Rebirth that the other Lanterns, Jon Stewart, Guy Gardner and Kyle Rayner got pushed to the background?
    No, that ^ is a narrative spun by those trying to play victim status.
    First thing you'd have to prove is that John and Guy and the Corps were the leads in Green Lantern book at the time, for them to have been "pushed into the background" as you say.
    You can't, they were not the leads in GL then, it was Kyle.
    Truth is John and Guy were not the focus of GL at the time. they didn't have their own Green Lantern books (anymore), Guy wasn't even a GL, in fact their books (as well as Hal's) and the Corps had all been replaced for the Kyle only era of Green Lantern. Kyle was the focus.

    GL Rebirth was about bringing the entire Corps back, that included and lead up to Hal, John and Guy as well as the entire Corps Kilowog, Arisia all back and all new characters all active at the same time! Which is what Rebirth was about and did successfully.

    GL was finally a franchise again, now growing with more than one GL book and focus.

    John continued as the lead in Justice League, Guy as indicated was finally brought back, and featured in the new Corps on going, with Kyle and the growing Corps.
    Kyle was never demoted, he even got his own Ion book where he's the center Guardian of the universe! or whatever he called himself, He then became the White Emotional Ultimate Lantern etc... always getting promoted,
    Nobody got demoted, in fact post Rebirth we went from having one GL book for Kyle, to having several under Geoff Johns' stewardship including all the events spun from it.
    GL was a tremendous franchise again. And the lead GL of JL became a rotating position again. John, Hal, Simon, Jessica....!






    As to the JL Animated, where John was written as the founder and Lead GL, that continued with John. Hal never replaced him there.

    And with the return of the Justice League Animated, if anything they expanded to include Jessica not Hal,





    Again she is the result of the Rebirth era, opening the door to even more Green Lanterns, and doing everything to rebuild the entire Corps, and lift up the entire franchise to where it hadn't been in a long time.
    Not sure why you still get those trying to spin GL Rebirth and everything it did, into a negative?
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    please let's not start a green lantern fans war again it's the 51th this month....

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    The truth is that...

    Kyle Rayner relevance greatly lessened. DC tried doing different things with him, but none of them really took. It's to the point now he's in limbo. But DC tried.

    John Stewart was ALWAYS in the background. Geoff Johns co. didn't really put him there. They just didn't do anything with him to raise his profile when they could. They simply were not interested in this character.

    Guy Gardner benefited from Rebirth. He came out of mothballs and led the Green Lantern Corps book until 2013, when he was moved over to Red Lanterns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampire Savior View Post
    The truth is that...

    Kyle Rayner relevance greatly lessened.
    He was sitting on the one power in the DCU that was created for and could implicitly be shared ...by a CORPS!
    That is the relevance of the ring he got.
    They were all de-powered, crippled, turned insane, or killed so he could be the only one with the CORPS power.
    How was his relevance lessened? LOL!
    ...Context!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Güicho View Post
    He was sitting on the one power in the DCU that was created for and could implicitly be shared ...by a CORPS!
    That is the relevance of the ring he got.
    They were all de-powered, crippled, turned insane, or killed so he could be the only one with the CORPS power.
    How was his relevance lessened? LOL!
    ...Context!
    Everything I said was true. Your emotionally driven fan-ish opinions about what happened to Hal Jordan or the Green Lantern Corps are irrelevant. Kyle Rayner's relevance was greatly lessened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampire Savior View Post
    The truth is that...

    John Stewart was ALWAYS in the background.
    ^ Another lie.

    John, once the young open minded, artistic Green Lantern, as it was revealed his getting the ring was prophetic choice, took guardianship of the Mosaic which becomes a literal transformation, he inevitably fulfills that prophecy, channeling the powers of the Guardians themselves, finally becoming a Guardian in power and aspect.

    (yes Guardians used to wear red)

    Did it sell, debatable? They needed some 90's shock and awe (death of Superman / Breaking the Batman) sales! When it came to it.. He like the others was crippled body and mind (character assassinated) and robed of all his agency, to make Kyle the one and only new chosen one.



    This whole human chosen to become the embodiment of the power aspect and arc was taken from John, and given to Kyle instead.... Now Guardian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Güicho View Post
    ^ Another lie.

    John, once the young open minded, artistic Green Lantern, as it was revealed his getting the ring was prophetic choice, took guardianship of the Mosaic which becomes a literal transformation, he inevitably fulfills that prophecy, channeling the powers of the Guardians themselves, finally becoming a Guardian in power and aspect.
    If that was so important-why does no one mention it nor it that run made it to trade.

    Kyle always had SOMEONE allowed to try to do something with Kyle.
    Be it Titans
    Be it Ion
    Be it Omega Men
    Be it White Lantern
    No one can say no one tried stuff with Kyle. He got trades starring HIM on the shelf.

    John Stewart fared BETTER when Diane Nelson was around. Not by much. 14 year MIA after he showed up. 5 years of being around when Hal retired. Then came that planet reenacting the Death Star (that NEVER went away for John). Then Mosaic and that editor who hated the book. Limbo and a wheel chair. Justice League due to a cartoon. More crap about that stupid planet. McDuffie's Justice League. New 52 the era of a neutered John Stewart. Who was suppose to be killed off (thus Simon & Jessica arrive).
    The ONE good writer that John had got shown the door. More restriction to the Hal Jordan love book. Crumbs for John fans in Justice League.

    Guy (see Kyle)-someone was willing to do something with him. Especially in other books.
    Jessica is doing better OUTSIDE of comics (like John has).
    Simon-less said the better. SADLY.

    Folks bring up Spider-Man.
    One MAJOR difference with that franchise is NO ONE WAS RUINED TO BUILD ANYONE ELSE UP. Ben Riley & Ultimate Peter Parker notwithstanding.
    There was no Peter Parker and the Spider Bunch where the artist said '"this is a PETER book and the rest are background."
    It's no longer PETER bringing in all the money. It's Miles, Venom, Gwen, Miguel, Peter Porker and others bringing it in too.
    Marvel did not start a fan war in Spider-Man.

    What has starting fans wars gotten DC?

    A SPLINTERED Green Lantern, Robin, Flash, Batgirl (sort of), Firestorm and WORST of all Blue Beetle fandom.
    I hope DC enjoy those lower than expected sales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampire Savior View Post
    The truth is that...

    Kyle Rayner relevance greatly lessened. DC tried doing different things with him, but none of them really took. It's to the point now he's in limbo. But DC tried.

    John Stewart was ALWAYS in the background. Geoff Johns co. didn't really put him there. They just didn't do anything with him to raise his profile when they could. They simply were not interested in this character.

    Guy Gardner benefited from Rebirth. He came out of mothballs and led the Green Lantern Corps book until 2013, when he was moved over to Red Lanterns.
    Kyle was doomed as a character from the moment DC decided to put his girlfriend in a fridge.Everything after that was then pretending he was going to be relevant and now they don't even bother to pretend.

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